RDM/PLD over RDM/DRK?

[Khidir]

Re: RDM/PLD over RDM/DRK?

i mean as Pld/rdm you could pretty much be an rdm or was that addressed to someone else?

[WishMaster3K]

Re: RDM/PLD over RDM/DRK?

PLDs have proficient Enhancing magic, being that they can cast protect and shell on themselves. That is why I see PLD/RDM in Ballista taking a few more hits than PLD/WAR. However, PLD/WAR get more Def, Vit and Job Abilities. PHalanx and Stoneskin, however, are very potent under the strong defense of a PLD, and with Auto-Refresh, from a Ballista stand-point, I think it all balances out now. At the very least, PLD/RDM and PLD/WAR require different approaches for the same outcome in a PvP setting.

For utility purposes, I see PLD/RDM being useful in that they get Sneak + Invis latently, the aforementioned buffs and Fast Cast 2. How fast is Flash with FC compared to Flash W/O?

[Khidir]

Re: RDM/PLD over RDM/DRK?

i forsee another godly job combo approaching^^

[Taskmage]

Re: RDM/PLD over RDM/DRK?

Auto-refresh+Defensive Bonus/Abilities > Drain/Aspir+Attack Bonus to me. Auto-refresh may not return as much mp over time as aspir can during combat, but it's in effect all the time, whether I'm in combat or not, whether my enemy is aspirable or not, and whether I'm too busy casting other buffs to hit aspir every time its timer is up. Drain is a super efficient damage and healing spell, no doubt, but it isn't a spell I rely on for any of those things. I bet the combination of defense bonus and Flash mitigate as much or more damage than I gain from Drain, albiet without the offensive edge of the spell.

If I got hit for damage frequently when soloing, I'd point to Shield Mastery for making up the damage lost from Attack Bonus and Drain, or mp lost from Aspir, since it would allow extra Vorpals or Energy Drains. Unfortunately I don't get tp that way often so I can't. In general though, when I'm soloing things that are tough enough that sub matters, I value defense over offense. Rdm is just never going to put through enough damage through melee to kill EMs-VTs "fast" so I'd rather do it more safely and easily.

As far as endgame activities are concerned, no I don't foresee it taking the place of one of the more common subs or even a space beside them, but for general soloing I'd take pld over drk.

[Icemage]

Re: RDM/PLD over RDM/DRK?

Actually the PLDs in my HNM shell have been experimenting with PLD/BLU. Very powerful. With full Koenig gear and such, PLD75/BLU37 had well over 500 DEF without food with Coccoon.

As for hate tools... Healing Breeze is effectively a Curaga, and with sufficient +enmity gear, it can rack up some serious hate, especially if you've lost control of hate and can finish casting it w/o interruption. I could see PLDs using Club/Shield and spamming Moonlight for this same reason...


Icemage

[Apple Pie]

Re: RDM/PLD over RDM/DRK?

I guess subbing PLD may be more useful when skilling up our shield skill due to Auto Refresh and Shield Mastery.

I started to finish up my shield skill with Packs at Den of Rancor recently and I usually arm clubs for WS Moonlight. I haven't had PLD25+ yet and I'm not sure how much TP we get from Shield Mastery* but shield blocks frequently occur against them.

Although I have no problem managing MP with Convert now but with PLD sub, Convert may not even be necessary at all.

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* I saw someone posted about TP gain of Shield Mastery. According to it,

(Main) PLD25: +3
PLD50: +4
PLD75: 5.5

Therefore, we may be able to get 3 TP unless it is weakened when we sub PLD. I'm not sure if the type of shield determines how much.
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[WishMaster3K]

Re: RDM/PLD over RDM/DRK?

O rly? I have been skilling up shield and parry on the Raptors in Kuftal Tunnel. I usually walk over thre after I finish lvling my NPC on the Robber Crabs.

BTW, what's your gear looking like now, Grendal-dono?

[Armando]

Re: RDM/PLD over RDM/DRK?

PLDs have proficient Enhancing magic, being that they can cast protect and shell on themselves. That is why I see PLD/RDM in Ballista taking a few more hits than PLD/WAR. However, PLD/WAR get more Def, Vit and Job Abilities. PHalanx and Stoneskin, however, are very potent under the strong defense of a PLD, and with Auto-Refresh, from a Ballista stand-point, I think it all balances out now. At the very least, PLD/RDM and PLD/WAR require different approaches for the same outcome in a PvP setting.

For utility purposes, I see PLD/RDM being useful in that they get Sneak + Invis latently, the aforementioned buffs and Fast Cast 2. How fast is Flash with FC compared to Flash W/O?

I just finished capping my Enhancing Magic for 52, so I hope to work on RDM soon ^^ Yes, PLD/RDM is pretty good once we get access to Stoneskin and Phalanx. Regarding PLD/RDM vs PLD/WAR...PLD/RDM seems superior on my opinion. WAR's advantages are Berserk, Defender, and Double Attack. Both Berserk and Defender have a heavy drawback which hinders them from being very useful in a PvP setting. Double Attack is always nice. Yet, PLD/RDM gets Enspells for added damage (arguably more damaging than Double Attack, since DA only procs 10% of the time, and Enspells can easily do more than one swing's worth of damage in hits), Blaze Spikes for more damage, Phalanx, Stoneskin, Regen, all of which are very MP-efficient and compliment PLD's survivability. On top of that, /RDM also offers low-MP cost quick-casting Barspells and Magic Defense Bonus for protection against nukes. To top it all off, PLD/RDM can reap all of its benefits at any given moment; Berserk is only as useful as you can leave it on, and leaving it on is a very bad thing; Phalanx is arguably as good as Defender and doesn't cut into your damage. PLD/RDM just seems better and more flexible.

As for Flash with Fast Cast, sorry...I don't know the Fast Cast percentages

Apple Pie:
From my own experiments, Shield Mastery I gives exactly 1 additional TP to whatever you normally would gain, and I seriously doubt it'd be weakened. Shield size has no impact on it, you can get the same TP with a buckler than with a kite shield. Shield Mastery II adds exactly 2 TP to what you normally gain; I have it at 52, yet not at 40, so it's most likely obtained at 45 or 50. I've heard of 75 PLDs getting 5 TP on shield blocks too, so it's safe to assume Shield Mastery III gives you 3 extra TP.

[Patchinko]

Re: RDM/PLD over RDM/DRK?

As for Flash with Fast Cast, sorry...I don't know the Fast Cast percentages

Each rank of Fast Cast is a 5% reduction in cast and recast time. The Warlock's Chapeau also subtracts another 5%. So a level 60 RDM with the Warlock's Chapeau has a 20% reduction in cast and recast time.

Since Flash is instant with a 40 second cooldown and you'll have access to Fast Cast II, it will end up with a 36 second cooldown.

O rly?

Oh no, I thought I left the orly birds back in WoW!＾＾

～Patch

[Apple Pie]

Re: RDM/PLD over RDM/DRK?

Ren, are you working your shield skill with Deinonychus over there? You may wanna try Packs at Den of Rancor or Mr. Champ at deep Monastic Cavern because they are both MNK-type (always DA) and have higher LV caps (74-76 for Packs and 69-72 for Champ compared to 65-68 for Raptor). My shield skill is the same as LV74 cap now (= 187) and I need to play with those black Mandies.

As for my gears, I have nothing to update other than Ogre Gloves +1 I recently bought for farming and Selene's Bow (for my RNG at Ballista) from White Coney I soloed.

Armando, thanks for you correction. The poster seemed to include TP when he got hit (+2?) and if it really so, that makes sense. BTW, does Shield Mastery work when you take 0 damage when Stoneskin is up for example? It might be my homework but my PLD is still at LV1 now

[Patchinko]

Re: RDM/PLD over RDM/DRK?

It seems like PLD/BLU is getting popular at the moment. BLU seems to get some comparable or superior abilities even as a subjob for a late level PLD. Hmm...

Oh, and hi Grendal. Good to see a few familiar faces still around!＾＾

[Armando]

Re: RDM/PLD over RDM/DRK?

Sorry Grendal, I already tried. Put up Invincible, let a mob hit me...I shielded three to four times (I forgot the exact number, but it doesn't matter) and still ended up with 0 TP. So, I really doubt you'll get the free TP if you have Stoneskin up

By the way, Flash recast is 45, not 40. With Fast Cast II that'd be 40 secs, with Fast Cast III + Warlock's Chapeau that'd be 36. Thanks for the Fast Cast info ^^

[Khidir]

Re: RDM/PLD over RDM/DRK?

Well for those that sub pld you now know what it is like to have auto-refresh subbed and some coming from a Rdm/smn

yes my sub is somewhat gimped but higher rate of mp recovery rox!

am i right?

[Patchinko]

Re: RDM/PLD over RDM/DRK?

Sorry Grendal, I already tried. Put up Invincible, let a mob hit me...I shielded three to four times (I forgot the exact number, but it doesn't matter) and still ended up with 0 TP. So, I really doubt you'll get the free TP if you have Stoneskin up

By the way, Flash recast is 45, not 40. With Fast Cast II that'd be 40 secs, with Fast Cast III + Warlock's Chapeau that'd be 36. Thanks for the Fast Cast info ^^

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[Aeni]

Re: RDM/PLD over RDM/DRK?

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