RDM Pet Peeves

[Aeni]

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yea i can see myself being a pain in the rear. however, here is why.

When I get Haste, all my tanks, including PLDs, will get it. If I'm main healer, you'll also get, as a NIN:

-Silena
-Paralyna
-Blindna
-Erase

Assuming this in the mid-60s, of course.

But it's damn annoying when rank 10 players demand haste and they know better that a RDM don't get Haste until level 48. GO BUG THE BRD FOR HASTE DAMMIT!!!!

[Taskmage]

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GO BUG THE BRD FOR HASTE DAMMIT!!!!

Huh? Bards never get Haste. Does March decrease recast times too? Or was that a comment on players asking for spells they should know you don't have?

[WishMaster3K]

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Balfree. . .

Refreshing and Hasting duties are _usually_ a RDM's Job.
- Haste for 2-3 Melee, NIN needs haste constantly.
- Refresh for 2-3 Mages, PLD needs refresh cosntantly.
- Sub-Healer, most of the time i end up healing more than i should, but that's the whm's problem, too bad i'm the one taking shit.
- Magic Bursting, i pride myself on being able to do all this and still MBing, my only problem is dispelling

No way in hell, man. no way in hell.

If there is a WHM in the pt, I graciously accept Tank duty. I HATE when WHMs try to pass Hasting duty on me. I don't mind, but there is no way in hell I'm doing 2 Hastes while the WHM is doing 1. That's just a definate no. Especially if I have or more refreshes. the tanks are fortunate to get a Haste from me if I'm worrying about myself, a BLM, a WHM and possibly a PLD.

Dispelling is the more mundane aspect of the job, because it's always unpredictable. Sometimes a mob will have 5 buffs, sometimes none. Sometimes the pt will be SCing at start, and instead of taking off Protect and Shell, you only manage to take off Haste and Aquaveil, meaning that the SC and the resulting MB are crap.

I HATE when I catch crap for that. Melee's are so dense and obsessed with themselves that they never notice the intricacies of fighting. Like 2 melee's asking for Haste when the only mages in the Pt are me and a BRD, and it's bad enough I'm crying between Refresh Cycles and they start a fight when I'm at 70MP and Convert is 3 minutes away.

God Damnit, I hate Melee's with a passion. Except Omni. He's mildly acceptable only cause I like his Avatar.

Edit:
Yeah, March is basically Haste, but with different % of Haste+

[Omni]

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/em changes his avatar.

HATE ME NOW FISHMASTER!

yea, march x2 and haste is almost not fair. i think i can just get by with only casting utsusemi ni all the time!

yea i understand pre 50s. heck i didnt get haste regularly till mid 50s anyways. i do agree that i hate it when other melee ask for refresh like it'll make or break their job. ie: rng, mnk, war, drg, thf, sam, drk >.>

[Jei]

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silence > dispel > refresh + debuff > cure+haste
I usually give priority like this. Luckily not too many monsters require silence. But when they do I pop silence before anything else.
Dispel is fast to cast so delaying refresh a few seconds for it isn't too bad.

I guess it's my luck too. Most fighters I PT with don't ask for haste that often. Nor do mages ask for refresh. Even better 90% of WHM I PT with always step up and do the haste job without asking me to do so.

If I am the only haster in the PT I haste the main tank right after I refresh myself, not waiting for it to wear off. Just so it's easy to keep track. Only when my MP allows that I'll haste other melee too. Or when they get slowed and need haste.

I have a macro cure III <tank name> just in case I need it. Sometimes I'm too lazy to choose my cure 1-4 normal macro and choose target.

[Taskmage]

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I guess it's my luck too. Most fighters I PT with don't ask for haste that often. Nor do mages ask for refresh. Even better 90% of WHM I PT with always step up and do the haste job without asking me to do so.

If I am the only haster in the PT I haste the main tank right after I refresh myself, not waiting for it to wear off. Just so it's easy to keep track. Only when my MP allows that I'll haste other melee too. Or when they get slowed and need haste.

Same here. If the mob doesn't buff or require Silence, 2-3 Haste + 2-3 Refresh isn't that bad, but if it does, nuh uh. Forget it.

If I'm the only haster, the tank gets it by default. If I see that someone could use Haste to better the flow of the party, like a thf needing to be able to SATA just a little bit faster, or on SC member getting TP just a little slower than the other, I'll try to keep Haste on them. Others get it only if they ask and I can work them in.

[Karinya]

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If you want haste on 3+ people, you should invite at least 2 people that are capable of hasting.

I also agree with Jei that silence trumps everything. If you don't think so, enjoy your Thundaga III. Silence can save more HP than Curaga III, and for less hate, too.

I'll often start with silence, dispel, first refresh, first haste, dispel, paralyze, slow (if PLD tank or if the NIN was resisted; or blind if the NIN's slow landed but their blind was resisted), dispel, second refresh, second haste and then see where to go from there. (Assuming none of that stuff needs to get preempted for emergency cures/nas, silence recast or MB, and that you actually need that many dispels - which is possible on weapons and some beastmen). Note that this is from primarily a merit perspective, if you're at one of the levels where you often fight things that are very hard to hit, you may want to put Gravity earlier in your spell order.

IMO if there are 3 people needing/wanting haste, the WHM should take 2 and the RDM 1 (and yes, I still believe this while leveling WHM :3 ). Usually the RDM is casting at least 3 refreshes in that situation in addition to any enfeebles, support healing, status cures (if /WHM) or MB. It's nice to help other pt members out, but there's a reason WHM get haste first - it's primarily their spell and their responsibility.

[Caspian]

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i do agree that i hate it when other melee ask for refresh like it'll make or break their job. ie: rng,

What kind of shitty rng's are you pt'ing with who think they need haste? Only plausible situation I could see ridill/kraken wielding rng/nin in dynamis or something who melee's for tp then drops back for slugwinder. Seems like one hell of a waste of tp imo.

[Omni]

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hey, people out there will surprise you.

ive been in a pt where each of those melee bitch about haste. its like huh? /shrug

[Jei]

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I used to keep hasting rangers. Then one day the ranger in my PT told me to stop D:

[Caspian]

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For any rdm's and whm's who don't know and have been lied to by stupid/stupider rng's:
Haste has no effect on ranged attacks. It may have been semi-useful pre-nerf when we were kissing mobs as we shot them. A few extra swings helps with tp gain, but nolonger. Remind the rng it has no effect on ranged attacks (it could theoretically slightly reduce the timer on barrage, sharpshot, and unlimited shot, but it would have to be cast right before they activate it, even then I'm not sure how much time it would take off.) and they can get over it. If they get pissy, I'd recommend immediately calling them out on not knowing how they're job is played. It should get interesting from there.

[TheGrandMom]

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I used to keep hasting rangers. Then one day the ranger in my PT told me to stop D:

Yes this happened to me also. In fact, he was quite nasty about it at the time. LOL I prefer to do 2 hastes in with my refresh cycle. Whatever is left over is for the whm. If there is no whm, then I just watch and see who needs it the most. Of course, nin's are automatic but depending on the pt structure (nin burn), sometimes its hard to figure out.

[Icemage]

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Couple notes:

BRD March songs work like Haste - spell recast and attack speed is improved.

RNG should never, ever get Haste unless the tank is down and you need the RNG to secondary tank with Utsusemi (unlikely, but possible).


Icemage

[Caspian]

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RNG should never, ever get Haste unless the tank is down and you need the RNG to secondary tank with Utsusemi (unlikely, but possible).

I dare say if that is the case you might just want to escape or run, whichever is easier. I can recall only a handful of times where I've been in that situation and thats worked. Pre-nerf 3x rng party. Tank died due to a link and myself and the other two rangers just bounced hate around b/w recasts until it was dead. Much more effective to do that then than now. Now you just get three people with utsu ichi hoping to keep hate at all b/c their damage sucks at close range. Granted its plausible and a possible last ditch effort, but it sure is a bad sign of things to come.

[tdh]

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I almost always take the Tank hasting. For PLD parties, I Refresh myself, Haste the PLD, Refresh the PLD. I do this every time I restart my Refresh cycle. If I have a NIN tank, I do the same thing and move onto my next MP user. I almost never Haste myself, and like I said I always Haste the tank, but it drives me nuts when the WHM won't haste at least one person. As a DRK52 I often Haste the DRK so they can keep up with TP in case they miss. WAR/NINs & MNKs I rarely Haste, but it's nice sometimes to drop it one these guys.

Dispel can be a pain in the butt at time, and then there are Ahrimans who seem to resist Dispel 98% of the time, and never resiste Finale. I hate when a Crab puts up Stoneskin, and by the time I cast Dispel, the melee have beat through it! lol