RDM in Group = Lazy BLM & WHM

[forster]

This is the only thing that irks me at the moment about the RDM job, which I am growing to love alot.

Please dont flame this, it is not my intention to offend anyone, Im only giving my experiences thus far with the RDM job, I've mostly been playing BLM and WHM with previous characters.

OK, here goes.

Thus far in pickup groups with 3 melees, a whm and a blm (which has happened numerous times) I seem to be doing the WHM's and BLM's jobs as well as my own, while watching them idle or rest, and it's getting on my nerves.

I mainly see my job as an enfeebler for the first part, backup heal and nuke as required - but what I dont see my job as being is the main healer when we have a WHM in the party, and the main nuker when we have a BLM in the party.

I have and can fulfill the role of both when needed, and have been the main healer / nuker on more than one occasion which is fine, but when other members of the party slow down on consistent healing and nuking it is always left to me to fill the role, indeed I've been flamed for not healing in a party when our WHM is resting, and has been resting the whole fight on top MP having a conversation with other members of the party when they should be doing their job.

/fume

Am I wrong to be narked about this? I dont mind complimenting the other mages in a group with nukes and heals, but to do their jobs for them while they sit doing nothing is just too much.

It also narks me when mages dont use MP regen food or drinks, but that's a whole different story.

Bleh.

[Tsikuro]

Re: RDM in Group = Lazy BLM & WHM

This is the only thing that irks me at the moment about the RDM job, which I am growing to love alot.

Please dont flame this, it is not my intention to offend anyone, Im only giving my experiences thus far with the RDM job, I've mostly been playing BLM and WHM with previous characters.

OK, here goes.

Thus far in pickup groups with 3 melees, a whm and a blm (which has happened numerous times) I seem to be doing the WHM's and BLM's jobs as well as my own, while watching them idle or rest, and it's getting on my nerves.

I mainly see my job as an enfeebler for the first part, backup heal and nuke as required - but what I dont see my job as being is the main healer when we have a WHM in the party, and the main nuker when we have a BLM in the party.

I have and can fulfill the role of both when needed, and have been the main healer / nuker on more than one occasion which is fine, but when other members of the party slow down on consistent healing and nuking it is always left to me to fill the role, indeed I've been flamed for not healing in a party when our WHM is resting, and has been resting the whole fight on top MP having a conversation with other members of the party when they should be doing their job.

/fume

Am I wrong to be narked about this? I dont mind complimenting the other mages in a group with nukes and heals, but to do their jobs for them while they sit doing nothing is just too much.

It also narks me when mages dont use MP regen food or drinks, but that's a whole different story.

Bleh.

99% of Low-level players suck.
That is all.

[forster]

Re: RDM in Group = Lazy BLM & WHM

{Understood} {Thank you}

[maxgtr]

Re: RDM in Group = Lazy BLM & WHM

I don't even understand why they do that stuff, when you take the job of WM the main job is heal, period, cast dia for added damage when not healing. I've had to tell people even what spells to cast at times. I've ha to tell BMs not to melee after they cast cause it's about pointless, just step back and nuke, that's your job.

[forster]

Re: RDM in Group = Lazy BLM & WHM

I'll still throw the enfeebles if Im main healing if the battle is controlled enough, in the better groups Ive been in I have time to regen mana back to a decent amount using food and drinks to supplement myself, while still going for the bigger chains.

Im sorry the above was more of a rant than anything else, but I just hate getting stuck doing other peoples jobs while they idle their time.

I'm sure it'll change once I get more RDM only spells / skills, although Im not looking forward to being a refresh-o-bot, but it's just part of the job I guess.

[BurningPanther]

Re: RDM in Group = Lazy BLM & WHM

You've recounted a problem that has plagued(and still plagues), every Red Mage at some point. Especially in the lower levels, where the gap between the defining abilities of RDM, BLM, and WHM are still too small to be noticed, we can easily fill the role of the one or the other, often allowing the WHM or BLM in the party to become complacent and take out skills for granted. And of course, the melees never notice that our support role in haleing and nuking has radically switched to a main role, and are quick to blame us when things slow down or go awry. I can offer no remedy to this perennial dilemma, all I can advise is what I did: Stick through it if you think you can, and if not, bow out and leave the rest to struggle on their own. It's slow going for RDM at lower levels, but perserverance will pay off big the higher you level.

[forster]

Re: RDM in Group = Lazy BLM & WHM

Indeed, cheers BP ^^

[Jei]

Re: RDM in Group = Lazy BLM & WHM

you'll see lazy every jobs, no worry ^^

[Reincarnation]

Re: RDM in Group = Lazy BLM & WHM

I know how it feels, that's why I get pissed from time-to-time when I play as RDM. You learn to live with it though... I guess... -w-

[TheGrandMom]

Re: RDM in Group = Lazy BLM & WHM

Unfortunately, your going to run into this even in the higher lvls. I find that blms would rather die than cast a cure on party members. I've seen the blm be the only mage left and be resting or nuking instead of trying to cure the tank. It's funny when I play my blm and help with healing or with erasing, the whms always msg me thanking me or saying something like "Wow your the first blm that I've seen heal".

With whm's I see them resting with nearly full mp while I'm doing their job. Now while I don't mind healing in a pinch with my rdm or at the end of a fight to cap people off, I don't see why I should be main healing with a whm in the pt. But it happens, and often. I guess they feel because we have convert and refresh that we have an endless amount of mp...which is bs. I even had one pt kick the whm and get another DD since I was doing both jobs anyways. LOL When I'm on whm I never treat rdms in my pt like that. They get to do their job the way it was meant to be.

You will always run into pts that push you to your limits. People always try to get away with the least amount of effort if they can get someone else to pick up the slack. The trick is to not pick up all of the slack. Of course, you can't let people die but since the whm is responsible for healing, rest if you need to. Don't stand there waiting for the whm to stand and heal because as long as your standing he won't. As far as nuking, all your required to do as a rdm is magic burst if there is a blm in your pt. Rdms are versatile but that doesn't mean that other pt members should abuse that.

[Altae]

Re: RDM in Group = Lazy BLM & WHM

Thus far in pickup groups with 3 melees, a whm and a blm (which has happened numerous times) I seem to be doing the WHM's and BLM's jobs as well as my own, while watching them idle or rest, and it's getting on my nerves.

I mainly see my job as an enfeebler for the first part, backup heal and nuke as required - but what I dont see my job as being is the main healer when we have a WHM in the party, and the main nuker when we have a BLM in the party.

I have and can fulfill the role of both when needed, and have been the main healer / nuker on more than one occasion which is fine, but when other members of the party slow down on consistent healing and nuking it is always left to me to fill the role, indeed I've been flamed for not healing in a party when our WHM is resting, and has been resting the whole fight on top MP having a conversation with other members of the party when they should be doing their job.

/fume

Am I wrong to be narked about this? I dont mind complimenting the other mages in a group with nukes and heals, but to do their jobs for them while they sit doing nothing is just too much.

It also narks me when mages dont use MP regen food or drinks, but that's a whole different story.

Bleh.

The bolded part would irk me too. Despite how flexible a job RDM can be, whether you need someone to melee, black magic, or white magic on the SPUR OF THE MOMENT, you need a RDM. I'm not saying, "Oh, if there aren't any WHMs, get a RDM. Oh, if there aren't any Melee jobs seeking, grab the RDM, they have fast blade." No. But, despite the flexibility, it does not give the other jobs an excuse to sit there and suck in exp at the hard work of others while not contributing any effort themselves.

I don't see a whole lot of this happen at higher up levels, but lower level parties, it's understandable. People are not serious about their character's jobs until they really find some reason to want to level it up past AF equipment. So, the only advice I can give is to just bear with it and keep getting EXP at whatever chances you can. To level up your job so you can find better parties sooner and enjoy how a party with RDMs should work.

[Jethreal]

Re: RDM in Group = Lazy BLM & WHM

hey guys, I'm pretty new at the mage thing BLM 20 WHM 15, and I have a slightly different view to offer. I had no problem throwing a cure or 2 as Blm esp. if the tanks gone red but it's been a difficult time as whm, and I think this is why... 10-14 we had a PL, everyone loves a PL but I was a little worried. The critters aren't to tough yet I had difficulty finding the proper dynamic with a third party throwing cure II like candy. 14-15 was a tough group. No PL, just me and a BLM and RDM. We set up pull levels, tp=x pulling ____ . Anyway, I figure I have a good 5 levels to really get the job basics down and that's assuming we don't have a PL to take the pressure off. Now I ove getting PL'd but I do think it may produce sloppy playing because you have a player 40 levels higher than you to dig you out of a hole. I mean in theory the tank could be wearing nothing and still never die. Just a thought, I love the game and only wished I had bought it earlier. All of that said I'll probably get a LS member to sneak/invis me through Garl. to get snow effect for my ruby ....hmmmmm

[Akai]

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well, as above, i was brd. blm did as he was supposed but didnt help heal. whm liked to use holy so i asked him to stop
he said no, and if we didnt like it to kick him
so, i decided not to heal at all
he had 720 mp and he used all of it but 50 after the mob died :x
i was doing like 50% of the healing with 150mp <_<

[Jei]

Re: RDM in Group = Lazy BLM &amp; WHM

Whm that casts holy and Blm that doesn't heal to me have the same kind of mind set.
They just want to play the way they want and not really looking, or even caring the party as a whole.
well, just a matter of attitude imo.

[tdh]

Re: RDM in Group = Lazy BLM &amp; WHM

Unfortunately, this isn't a low level thing. I've had parties where the BLM sub'd SMN, so they can't Cure. Then sit their quietly while the NIN eats a R1. Or the WHM seemed to rarely Cure the PLD. (Even had cases of over Curing the PLD.)

I have no problem pitching in, and as of late, the rare occasion I actually party with a WHM! (WHM last night actually MB'd our Light Skillchain on occasion.) I rarely all out nuke, unless we're trying to bust through to that Chain #5. But I've told the WHM to /heal while I main Heal so they can have MP to keep going. (Afterwards I just Convert and giggle to myself. Elvaan RDM having more MP than a Taru WHM. ^^)

But I've had a number of parties with WHMs and SMNs and I can't rest because they're not healing at all, running out of MP with 4 minutes left on my Convert timer. It gets frustrating as hell. That you're working your butt off, and the other mages aren't doing a whole lot of anything. Yet there's a stigma of how there are a lot of really bad RDMs, but a party ~needs~ one, so they put up with sub-par players. Yet there are other crappy mages out there, and you just don't hear any complaints about them.