Was I completely wrong?

[Icemage]

Re: Was I completely wrong?

The only question I would ask is why are you healing the main tank? =P Except for emergencies or when full on MP with nothing else worthwhile to cast (HA! I made a funny!) RDMs shouldn't be curing the main tank at all. Some WHMs prefer to let tanks hover at a lower average HP before they start healing, and I find that when I play RDM, I see a lot of variance in healing styles. I usually watch to see at what point a WHM starts tossing out cures, and I try to avoid casting any non-emergency cures myself until I have a good feel for the party and my MP consumption rate.

Of course, if the WHM isn't casting any cures at all, that's a big problem, particularly against goblins, since Bomb Toss can deal huge damage. Under those circumstances, it's sometimes a constructive lesson to purposely NOT pick up the slack. If someone dies as a result, lesson learned.


Icemage

[Jei]

Re: Was I completely wrong?

sometimes we're forced to do so. I got quite a few WHM who let the tank HP goes down to the point I feel very uncomfortable not to cure not so often, just once in a while.

[Chirasi]

Re: Was I completely wrong?

That why I usually communicate with WHM before killing start. You can do so even if WHM is Japanese.

Something like

"WHM {Cure}/{Regen} PLD, RDM {Cure}/{Regen} THF/DRK/Whatever, OK?"

is good enough.

[WishMaster3K]

Re: Was I completely wrong?

Or we can just leave parties since we'll get another one in 5 minutes. True story.

/em turns his sarcasm dial from 10 back to 6.

[Alucath]

Re: Was I completely wrong?

I get what you're saying about not healing the main tank. You guys seem to be seeing the main tank dying as an acceptable loss though. First of all, I don't want anyone to lose XP. Second of all, if the main tank dies.. we can't just raise up and keep going. That's 5 minutes of downtime. That's XP loss for everyone else in the party as well. I'd much rather keep him alive and pick up the slack than teach the WHM a lesson.

I wasn't keeping refresh to myself out of spite, I was just trying to manage my MP more efficiently so we would actually live >.>.

[WishMaster3K]

Re: Was I completely wrong?

Makes perfect sense to me to not waste 40MP on a White Mage that wasnt doing didly squat. Of course, if Red Mages naturally had Auto Refresh, our jobs would be 10 times easier, and we wouldnt have situations like this ><

We have a crapload of tools, all very essential and have specific times to be used, but no one takes into consideration that we are still people- ie, a party cant run if we have to personally cater to each individual member.

That is why I'm agreeing with your POV. In many parties, the PLD wants me to do one thing special for them, the WHM has the nerve to ask me to haste TWO people, and the BLM wants me to do Elemental Debuffs. Not suprisingly, this often can happen in similar parties.

Or if you throw in a pushy BRD in the mix that thinks they're the end-all-be-all of parties, we change up our pace.

It depends on the party layout, and sadly, for a select portion of end-game EXP, there isnt a need for WHMs, or dififerent combinations work better. hell, right AFTER i dinged 60, my static of BRD RDM PLD DRG and THF dropped a main healer from the rotation because we worked so well and fought smartly. We had a WHM in our party one night, but i swear, they were just leeching exp.

If you see a SMN seeking, and you have a BLM and a RDM in the backline, dont hesitate to drop the deadweight WHM. Christ, I can main heal if all they give me is a BRD and myself. Granted, I cant do more than refreshing myself and the tank, and I cant do more than haste the tank, but with competent DDs (with a BRD, the DDs can be mildly retarded and we'd be awsome) there isnt normally a need for certain pt members.

Of course, we miss out on things like MBs, or things like Viruna and Stona, but thats why I said that you have to work with what you have. Dont conform to a bad member. explain that they have to go and formulate tactics around that. (on a side note, this is propaganda, but as a Taru, having a properly leveled WHM sub was the best thing to happen to me since Convert.)

Just my thoughts atm

[Icemage]

Re: Was I completely wrong?

I get what you're saying about not healing the main tank. You guys seem to be seeing the main tank dying as an acceptable loss though. First of all, I don't want anyone to lose XP. Second of all, if the main tank dies.. we can't just raise up and keep going. That's 5 minutes of downtime. That's XP loss for everyone else in the party as well. I'd much rather keep him alive and pick up the slack than teach the WHM a lesson.

I wasn't keeping refresh to myself out of spite, I was just trying to manage my MP more efficiently so we would actually live >.>.

I'm not advocating deliberately letting people (particularly tanks) die when you have a lazy WHM. Every healer has a threshhold of comfort beyond which they *will* start casting cures, but its important to effectively balance MP usage in the party, and when a RDM is in a party with a WHM, it makes sense to let the WHM dictate where that threshhold is. If that means the tank is unacceptably vulnerable, then it is the WHM's responsibility to recognize this and adjust their play accordingly; this is something they cannot do if you're "covering" for them at every opportunity.

For me, 5 minutes of downtime is an acceptable tradeoff if it means that the party chemistry improves afterwards. Would you prefer a 3 hour party at 1800 XP per hour, or lose 5 minutes and a few hundred XP if it means the party gains 3000+ XP per hour afterwards?


Icemage