RDM Enfeeble vs Ninja Enfeeble

[Altae]

If you pit a level 75NIN versus a level 75RDM to an enfeebling "contest" of some sort, whose enfeebling would have no effect over the other? Though I'm not level 75, and know little about a NIN's ninjutsu skill having any effect on their enfeebles, I do not know.

So far in EXP parties, the NINs have always been able to inflict a greater degree of enfeebles than me. And my enfeebling magic skill is always capped. Capped from other parties or soloing stuff that give me some or little exp. As for the NINs, their ninjutsu skills must be capped or near capped as well. Consistantly casting just for the sake of rendering the monster defenseless, as much as they can.

Now, I've been wondering, could enfeebling magic skill ever tip the level of effectiveness over a NINs ninjutsu skill? With +Enfeebling Skill equipment as well. Or does it not even matter what a RDMs enfeebling skill is at? And that perhaps a Tier 2 Ninjutsu spell will always override a lv70RDM's enfeebling?

[Vinen]

Re: RDM Enfeeble vs Ninja Enfeeble

Ninja Enfeebles are Stronger but tend to last a shorter time at 75. Paralyze has a MUCH stronger activation rate for Ninjas then RDM for example. Not to mention all :ni debuffs overwright RDM debuffs.

[lazner]

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i usually don't try to beat out the ninjas when they are casting enfeebles because it helps them get hate.

[Rai|Kye]

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i for myself having both jobs played to 75 have to say that a ninja will never outshine a rdm in enfeebling.

ninja has a much harder time sticking enfeebles on mobs then rdm has.
ever tryed to Hojo a IT++ mob ? while ninja gets resited alot rdm can stick slow easy with earth staff.

Ninja enfeeblings are pretty good against low IT and T mobs but they have no chance on hard monsters.

a good example are aura statues, while on my rdm i can stick every enfeebling easily (out of paralyze, they resist that like no tomorrow), im happy if atleast blind sticks on my nin.

for endgame you will always prefer a rdm over a ninja for enfeebling.
oh and ninja lack in a important spell, silence.

[TheGrandMom]

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I don't compete with the nin's. I watch to see what they are casting and if it sticks. That way they can try to build hate and I can back them up if it doesn't stick. I got into a pt with a nin recently that /t'd me and chewed me out BEFORE we even killed anything. Sorta ticked me off but I understand where he is coming from.

[WishMaster3K]

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Wow TGM, I've always been the one to approach the nins and see if they want to cast anything. Before the patch, all NINs I pted with didnt mind if I wanted to do everything, and comparably, like yourself, I cast everything that they have that did not stick.

I havent pted with ninjas post patch, but I suspect that if they want to keep hate, they'll continue to use all the spells at their disposal. And comparably, as a RDM, I will continue to enfeeble where they miss out.

Maybe NINs should get a silence spell. And a Haste Spell. That way they can actually hold a snowballs chance in hell of standing up to us in Ballista.

[TheGrandMom]

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Maybe NINs should get a silence spell. And a Haste Spell. That way they can actually hold a snowballs chance in hell of standing up to us in Ballista.

LOL

[Icemage]

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Once ninjas get Kurayami: Ni and Hojo: Ni, it's best to let them try those before casting Blind or Slow.

Jubaku : Ichi and Paralyze work in similar fashion, and (all other factors being equal) have a roughly equal chance to land. Generally speaking I prefer casting Paralyze instead of the NIN casting Jubaku, since I can back my spell with an Elemental Staff, not to mention Paralyze takes less the time to cast than Jubaku does, and costs negligible amounts of MP. Proc rate seems to be roughly the same in either case.

Hojo: Ni is usually superior to Slow. The net effect is roughly the same, but it has good stick rate, casts very quickly, and overwrites regular Slow. I usually let Ninjas take care of this, and only cast Slow if their Hojo fails.

Blind is inferior to Kurayami: Ni in all ways. I always let the NIN try Kurayami and will only cast Blind if theirs fails.


Icemage

[Altae]

Re: RDM Enfeeble vs Ninja Enfeeble

Well, whether a RDM competing to enfeeble a mob with a NIN, may be good, or not good, at least you will know that your RDM and NIN are both hard at work^^

And what NINs need is a spell like dispel, or flash, or stun. Something that can pull hate as well as those spells can. If a RDM did nothing but spam dispel throughout the battle, even though the monster hasn't any buffs to dispel, the RDM would definately gain the most hate. And you've seen how flash works for PLD hate, so NINs either have something alike these, or need something.

[WishMaster3K]

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Yeah enfeebling is fun. I remember as soon as I got my elemental Staves, i pulled insane amounts of hate for a lvl 51. Took some time to adjust to ^^

[Icemage]

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Yeah enfeebling is fun. I remember as soon as I got my elemental Staves, i pulled insane amounts of hate for a lvl 51. Took some time to adjust to ^^

It's not so much the enfeebles that draw major enmity, but rather Dispel. I'm not quite sure why, but Dispel carries a huge enmity price tag, so much so that it still pulls hate for me sometimes even with -2 enmity from merits and a -3 enmity Tamas Ring if I cast it too early in a fight. If I had to guess, it seems to tack on about as much enmity as Flash does.


Icemage

[pooq]

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I guess I have a lot to learn about this I always cast my enfeebles, and if the nin lands theirs, good for them, it overwrites mine anyway, but I always try to cast mine asap, I thought I was doing a good thing sence it gets at least some debuff in untill theirs gets in.

[Zempten]

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And what NINs need is a spell like dispel, or flash, or stun. Something that can pull hate as well as those spells can. If a RDM did nothing but spam dispel throughout the battle, even though the monster hasn't any buffs to dispel, the RDM would definately gain the most hate. And you've seen how flash works for PLD hate, so NINs either have something alike these, or need something.

I think NIN's elemental wheel is the closest they got to what your referring to.