Wait a sec.... If RDM are the masters of enfeebling...

[Justarius]

Nice to know I helped a fellow bard see the light on pulling. :spin: But if you still are under the delusion RDM and BRD do not compete for the same role in an xp party.. well, I dont think anyone can help you there. Now if only word could get out to the rest of the BRDs to try something new instead of blindly following a faq someone wrote back when they were level 55, then stickied to a forum. They are great guides for the early levels and just in general, but many things change once you reach 75, and new situations arise that arent written down in some FAQ.

Please stay away from writing any FAQs anytime soon
:spin: :spin: :spin:

[Shiia]

75 maybe the last of level grinding (not merit) but its the begining of trying new things. Bit OT: The only thing sucks being 75 is farming ahrimans using level 5 pertify -_-;

[Laehn]

This is no longer an intelligent argument. Youve provided only one circumstantial piece of evidence hardly enough to make any conclusive claims. You yourself say lvling at 75 is different and ill agree. Ive said that before. But lvling is only one part of the game and lvl 75 is only one lvl in the game. You cant deny everything else that proves otherwise during a brds life and still hope to have a conclusive argument. I never denied that brds COULDNT do it, i willingly admitted to doing it myself. But I would never go as far as slapping a generalization on a job based on only one piece of situational evidence thats not even first hand.

And im flattered that rdms feel like competing, but i assure everyone, that you have more to fear from your own kind than brds when it comes to competition. You can survive without refresh and you can sub rdm and use dispel just as good or sub brd and get ballad 1 and finale. No job is in direct competition with one another because there are no identical jobs. If you compete with a brd for his job, youre not going to win, because you will never be a brd. And if brd tries competiting with a rdm for his job, same thing will happen to them.

[Lasareth]

Shiia:

This thread's been OT for a while >_>;

I don't know how BRD got into this situation, but whatever. I'm content in the replies given that actually pertain to the topic (RDM vs NIN enfeebles if you guys don't know). Thanks to those guys, and for the rest of the topic ---> :confused:

[Laehn]

I came here to support rdms. And discourage people from feeling like they need to compete against brds or any job. My first post is completely on topic. Ive been trying my hardest to shut justarius up about brd stuff, but i cant. Im sorry. I dont want people spreading lies about my job on other boards. Each of my posts have had some on topic material. Ive been honestly trying to provide further to the on topic conversation and I hope that effort shows. Again im sorry if my responses to justarius' off topic lies hijacked the thread. It was never my intention. I only wanted to dispute the false off topic comments made earlier.

That said, we can go back on topic now.

[Justarius]

If you really think a RDM and BRD dont compete for a parb, you must be very deluded. This has nothing to do with being level 75 or the difference situations that arise when exping at 75

Since all you seem to understand is cookie cutter, I'll try and use stuff you understand. All typical EXP parties after 50 need

1-Tank
2-Damage
3-Damage
4-Healer
5-MP Regen
6-open

There are only 2 jobs that fit role #5. Guess which ones they are? If you still dont know, Ill tell you. RDM and BRD. Now if you think my saying RDM and BRD dont compete for a spot... you have problems. Nice people just dont want to point it out to you. Obviously PTS that decide to use 2 spots for MP regen are lacking damage. But those are not the norm. If you'd like to cry on this board as well as the BRD board, go ahead. But everyone knows you're wrong. BRD is the easiest job to level to 75 with, so obviously some "less expierenced players" get to 75.

ps- this post does not include exotic parties that I'm sure you've never heard of - BLMpts, RNG pts, MNK pts, or *shocked* BST pts.

[sekaran]

The last 4-5 PTs I have been in don't even have a WHM for a main healer.. usually it ends up being me, the RDM. Pending the formation of your PT, theres competition at the main healer slot by RDMs and WHMs and competition for support from RDMs and BRDs.. best of both worlds, RDM+BRD in a PT

[Raineer]

NIN + RNGx3 + BRD + RDM on darters = O.O

NIN + DDx2 + BRD + WHM + RDM on anything else = O.O

I love Bards, I think I shall refuse to party without one until I move to another job. I only have 6 levels left on RDM and I want to enjoy them. Nothing like a good bard tossing threnrodies and stacked etudes so I can nuke the piss out of chains 5 and 6, and actually HAVE PEOPLE SAY "BLM who?"

^_^

[Zempten]

Um..... seriously......I don't see what the deal is but RDM + BRD is not bad as you make it seem Justarius.

So it's 6 MP ticks, what's wrong with that? MP is flexible. It can be used for Healing, Nuking, Enhancing, or Enfeebling. There is nothing wrong with having 2 MP refresh sources.

So a PT that used 2 spots for RDM and BRD is lacking damage....hm...... now that's interesting. According to your previous post a PT consists of the following...

1-Tank
2-Damage
3-Damage
4-Healer
5-MP Regen
6-open

Well if that's the case, why can't RDM fit into slot 4 and BRD into slot 5? RDMs are flexible, we can heal , we can nuke, we can enfeeble, we can basically be your WHM without Raise 2 and higher and Cure 5 and Regen 2 and higher spells.

I do not see how the PT is "lacking damage" as you put it. BRDs increase attack (Minuet) and accuracy (Madgrial). RDM decreases evasion (Gravity) and defense (Dia 2). If it is a NIN tanking then I"m sure he can Slow, Paralyze, and Blind and BRD can use his/her Elegy as well. If it is PLD tanking then you will need someone to do the Slow, Paralyze, and sometimes Blind.

Competition for RDM and BRD? No I do not believe it. I believe any smart PT will take both if it is avaliable. They work hand in hand not against each other.

[Justarius]

You guys dont understand what im arguing. I'm not saying a pt with BRD and RDM isnt good. I mentioned RDM&BRD being a great combo in certain xp areas many times. The point I'm trying to make and get across is that RDM and BRD compete for a part slot much the same was a DRK and MNK compete for a damage slot, and NIN & PLD compete for the tank spot. I'm just tyring to point out to cookie-cutter Laehn that BRD and RDM are the only 2 classes that provide MP regen, and since every xp party needs mp regen, that they compete for the same spot. Since s/he thinks they do not.

Comprende? Obvioulsy having a BRD and RDM in the same party works, but if the party is 5/6 and lacking mp regen... that's competition. And most "smart" parties would pick BRD in that situation.

[Zempten]

Understood, but RDM doesn't have to compete just for MP regen. We can also pickup WHM duties as well just without the Regen 2+, Raise 2+ and Cure 5 spells (of course with a PT that actually has an idea of what they are doing)