RDM in BCNM40

[Kilgraw]

BCNM30 in Giddeus lasts no more then 2 minutes. It's a possible strategy... Unlikely, but possible.

And yeah, you can buff before hand.

[ifandbut]

From the info that you all gave me I would think that the BCNM40 near Bastok would be the easyest of them all. Just have your rngs and blms nuke from afar...not like the worms can move verry fast or anything and once you use Silence on them they cant touch blms or rngs.

Anyone ever tryed this?

P.S. Thanks for all the replys and suport.

[Solathan]

RDM@bcnm40

As I type this im doing a bcnm40 ( 6th time in a row all wins)

Rdm goes to such a bcnm as a healer, not as a nuker. I do not use drinks ( and only apple pies ) yet I have MP to burst. I also never run out of mp. I use 2.5 X the mount of the mp the whm ( taru, while im elvaan ). I convert twice

People know that 2 rdm's in bcnm are dreamy good, at least my LS do.

So yeah, rdm's are as good as whms and more usefull ( at least as usefull ) as blms!

Don't be discouraged.

(on a side note, this was a very bad 6 bcnm run...we hope the 6th will drop some decent stuff )

Take care and good luck

[lacrolix]

Re: RDM in BCNM40

Originally posted by ifandbut
I just recently entered the level 40 range and I have been wanting to do a BCNM. A person in my LS just recently started doing them with other people, he's a blm btw. He was telling me tonight that the only way that works is if you have 2 blms, 1 pld, 1 brd, 1 rng, and 1 whm.
No matter what I would tell him he said that RDMs are just usless in BCNMs...mainly 40s.
I toled him about using chain spell to nuke the hell out of the mobs then converting and continuing to nuke. But he would not listen.

The thing that has gotten me upset about this (yes...I know...its just a game....but I have nothing else to do so I put all my energy into this...no comments) is RDM is the only job I have that is above 30. I dont want to take the time to get whm or blm up to 40 because I REALLY want my AF, and I'm getting hard pressed for cash...I want to lev some crafting skills but between updating my spells every week, some I'm still behind on like Bio II...not to mention all the level 2 spells that I need to get soon, and trying to save a little bit for phalanx (yes...I know it's over rated..but besides Dispell and Refresh..what other spells do we have that makes us different from a want-to-be whm or blm) I just don't have enough money. If I can get phalanx to drop 2 times...I get the spell for free and I make 170k at the same time.

So...have there been any other RDMs that have helped win a BCNM40 out there...if so...what role did you play?

P.S. I use whm as my sub but I'm thinking about getting blm up to 17 or 20 for warp and -ga spells. Also..if the above sounds like a rant...I'm sorry....I'm just really pised to be toled that a job that I like so mutch cant earn money a slightly ezer way then farming and the like.

err no.......RDM's are not useless in a BCNM. Convert and if you sub WHM Curaga for AOE sleep. I've done 10 and won 7.
PT set up was
PLD
RMD
WHM
RNG
RNG
out of the 10 attempts we broke the record 2x. I think it was 14:15.
your LS mate is badly misinformed.

[Fourinkmaaya]

my old bcnm pt:
rng/war, brd/whm, rdm/whm, pld/war, drg/war
i was playing whm/blm and my role was basically throw a cure on the bard every now and then, paralyna, haste melees, dia 2 and wake everyone up from sleep..
rdms can do everything i can (except for haste), nuke, stronger debuffs and above all, convert.. twice as effective for bcnm40 than a whm.

thf, pld, whm <- classes that are semi-useless in bcnm40.
the only class that is a MUST in bcnm40 is brd.

here are my stats with the bcnm40 set pt: 24 wins 0 losses, best time: 9 min 31 sec

[Deodorant]

Well, one advantage I can think of is that a whm has reraise for the eventual disaster bcnm (so far I have a perfect record on bc40, with one near-loss when the brd d/c'ed and everyone died, but whm had reraise). Rdm/whm at lvl 66 can precast reraise outside the BC though, so that's a semi-moot issue too, I guess

[Uroboros]

Onion BC is really easy. The only touchy part is the first 60 seconds, when the tank grabs the black onion and gets hit by everything at once, when/if Flood starts casting, and when the bard instantly goes to less than half life the first time all the white onions wake up. If you can make it past that first minute then the rest is easy. RDM is by no means useless in BC40. Best backup healer for WHM (WHM's only job is keeping BRD alive, RDM's job is backing WHM up and healing melees).

[Alucath]

I'm a RDM in BCNM, and I love it. I've been asked to about 3 BCNMs, but heeding my friend's warnings I only go with people who're in my LS or I've partied with and trust that they know what they're doing.

Basically, our best time was 22:19 I believe. And that was with:

BRD
PLD
SAM
WHM
BLM
RDM

The second time around they switched me and the WHM out with another RDM and WHM, the WHM messed up and caused death -.-. Anyway, at that point, the leader decided that me and the other RDM should go in together.

BRD
PLD
SAM
RDM
RDM
BLM

The leader was BLM, and I'm still wondering if he should change jobs to make it a bit easier.. Not quite sure. Anyway, that went well, only 23:00, so we didn't do -better- but we did really good. For one thing, it was both the RDM's first times in a BCNM, and I think I did pretty well as main healer. We would alternate from one of us healing the BRD, the other healing melees.. and sometimes one of us healing everyone while the other rested. We converted 2 times each and did very well. Got phalanx to drop, but because we had 8 people.. and I had to go after 4 fights, I only got 41k. The person who stayed the longest in the group got 68k. I bought Electrum Ringx2, and an Electrum Hairpin, with my money.. Now I need cash for dispel.

[Nassa]

BCNM20 has a lvl20 cap, and 30 has a lvl30 cap. A RDM wouldn't have Stoneskin or Phalanx for either, nor Blink for BCNM20.

Actually...

BCNM30 you do with beast god seals and has no level limit. It's something that you can start doing at lvl 70'ish or so. I'm actually not very familiar with bcnm20... didn't even know that existed actually lol.

As for bcnm40, it depends on which 40 you do. But in general, at that level, RDM is better than WHM as your healer because of convert and the much greater amt of mp pool that represents. However, many like to have a whm in the pt for status effect cures. The BLM is actually the one that can be left out in most cases...

Nassa

[AtraposBLM]

Originally posted by Nassa


Actually...

BCNM30 you do with beast god seals and has no level limit. It's something that you can start doing at lvl 70'ish or so. I'm actually not very familiar with bcnm20... didn't even know that existed actually lol.

As for bcnm40, it depends on which 40 you do. But in general, at that level, RDM is better than WHM as your healer because of convert and the much greater amt of mp pool that represents. However, many like to have a whm in the pt for status effect cures. The BLM is actually the one that can be left out in most cases...

Nassa

....First of all, you're very misinformed.
1) The old BCNM that was called BCNM30 was the bcnm that you used Kindred Seals for - these seals start dropping off exp mobs as early as lv60 or so. This BCNM is now being called BCNM70, as that's the "minimum" level you need as a party to complete it. You can only do them at outland arenas (I think), and there is no level cap. 30 kindred seals for an orb, hence the old name.

2) There are now 2 extra BCNM's, BCNM20 and BCNM30. They were implemented in a patch about...a month ago? I'm not really sure when it happened, but it was a while ago. This is where a lot of the new lv30 gear came from (read, all the new latent effect earrings, and at least 1 belt). They don't allow a full 6 people, and are generally easyish to complete with competant players.

3) BLM is helpful mainly because they work just fine as back up healers that can MB effectively, and they represent a reliable way to stop Flood. The best Backline is BLM/RDM/BRD, imo.

[Nassa]

Guess who's living in the past lol~

Thanks for the corrections.

Nassa

[Alucath]

Originally posted by AtraposBLM
these seals start dropping off exp mobs as early as lv60 or so.

Actually, I'm 44 and getting kindred seal drops off of Hornflies in Crawlers' Nest.

[Karinya]

I've gotten them in Quicksands too - although I'm not sure if they were dropping off the beetles or the spiders.

I have heard that the mob has to be level 50+ and worth nonzero exp to drop kindred seals, which seems to be consistent with my experience. So you can start accumulating them in exp parties around level 45, and then in genkai, coffer, etc.

[Tetsura]

I just wanted to comment on your friend's perfect party and blm's in bcnm40 from my experience.

Firstly your friend is wrong. There are many, many, other combinations that can do bcnm40 efficiently and safely, and personally really i wouldnt even want that combination for myself in a giddeus bcnm40.

Here's my bcnm40 static party:
War/nin Hume
Rng/war Mithra
Drk/war Elvaan
Brd/whm Hume
Blm/whm Taru
Blm/whm Taru (me)

I would like you to notice the 2 blm's in this combination, because they are our main healers :sweat:
We do giddeus and we're 12/12 right now. The truth is that the mandra's dont hit hard at all, so there's no need for any cure's higher then II, and even if there was they are few and far between and can be handled with a Divine Sealed Cure II. Also, Blm's have naturally higher mp then whm's (though not as much as rdm with convert). Our average time is 13 minutes, and it is always very easy because we all know our roles in the group.

To sum up, i'd just like to say that any job can fit into a group, they just require a diferent strategy to it... but i'm not telling ours
:sweat:

[Humehero]

It is true that any combination of jobs can work but check out this...... they owned this BCNM.

This is also posted on the bard board:

http://vnfiles.ign.com/finalfantasy/BCNM40.wmv