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**neighbortaru** · 04-01-2004, 01:15 PM

don't worry about not having a static party. it might become an issue when you get to 50+, but it might not (dunno myself, never got that far).

with you're particular situation (kinda similar to mine), i would recommend lvling whm. It's nice to come into a pickup party with whm spells, especially the status cures and such.

don't get me wrong, blm is still a great sub, but /whm might be a bit sexier to pickup groups.

personally, i don't see why you can't lvl 2 subs. sure with the limited time you (and I) have, it'll take longer, but this isn't a race you know.

**Echo** · 04-01-2004, 01:27 PM

Re: RDM Sub, I'm sorry but please...

Originally posted by Funguwari
I know, I know, before you post let me say one thing:

No!

So, given the situation of not being able to have a static PT, and only time to Lv one sub... which bring me to say I'll be PTing with a bunch of different jobs, sometimes there's gonna be a WHM, sometimes none, sometimes a BRD, sometimes neither, etc.

I'm curious here... do you know who you're going to be partying with? Or are you assuming there won't be a WHM? If you don't feel like being primary healer, you can ask for a WHM in the party, you know... If you don't mind being healer, then level WHM.

You shouldn't have too many problems getting in pickup parties. You'd probably have a slightly easier time with a WHM sub than a BLM sub, but I don't think it will make much difference at all.

In the Pre-Dispel levels, people will want you as a healer regardless of sub... and then you'll be the Dispeller And Not Much Else. (Okay, a bit of a stretch, but somedays it seems like it...)

After Refresh/Convert, you will be wanted regardless of what your sub is. I've been invited to pt's while gil farming and they didn't even mind /THF sub. ("No, hurry, don't bother changing...")

The choice between BLM and WHM as a sub (really the only ones, and 20 bonus points to you for knowing that

) comes down to how you see your role in a party, and what you feel most comfortable with.

I hate being WHM. I dislike the "one false target and my whole party will be dead and it will be my fault!" feeling whenever I XP WHM. Some people like playing the job... some do it very well... but it's not for me.

Which you choose is really up to you and which role you like playing. Even with /BLM sub, you'll be expected to be a support healer (taking pressure off the WHM as well as some of the hate), you'll just be less likely to be the -only- healer in a party.

As for static parties, I have had one off and on. It was never anything formal, just a period of a few weeks where "these are the people I level with since it's a good party". Right now, I pt with a PLD, WHM, THF, SAM, BLM and me, the cutaruest RDM. It has the right balance and we have sufficient hours overlap where we're all usually on.

**Khaelyn** · 04-01-2004, 01:29 PM

I think WHM is better too, but I'm biased.

And I second the notion that you will probably have time to level both if you try and that it would be beneficial to being picked up randomly if you can tell ppl that you switch sides with ease. Just don't say it that way or they will get the wrong idea

Really, doing the second round of leveling is so much faster with a subjob. And you only have to keep it at a level so that your main (RDM) doesn't look stupid. Nobody wants a 61/10 RDM/BLM.

**Icemage** · 04-01-2004, 01:59 PM

If you don't have time to level two subs, I would actually recommend /BLM over /WHM.

Lots of pros and cons to both, but general perks given by each:

/BLM: more MP, Warp, Escape, MP Conserve, Elemental Seal, Drain, Aspir, earlier access to Clear Mind, black magic enfeebles(Rasp/Burn/Shock/Choke/Frost/Drown)

/WHM: Status-na, Divine Seal, Banish(vs. undead), Curaga, Defense-ra spells (Shellra, Protectra, Barelement-ra, etc.)

From a pick-up party perspective, /BLM gives you a bit more flexibility than /WHM does. This isn't to say that you won't get parties - RDM at level 41+ will rarely have problems finding a party, even if they have weird things like /THF or /DRK, but from a "my sub is cool because it gives me the ability to do X" point of view, I think /BLM edges out /WHM, particularly if you have a decent WHM who knows what they are doing.

Last but not least, for the player who has limited amounts of time to play, being able to Warp back to your home point before logging out can be a very nice plus.

Icemage

**Funguwari** · 04-01-2004, 02:10 PM

So the static PTing thing won't effect me at all?

I hope not...

It would suck because I can't get into a PT just because I'm busy. I wish I was able to play alot and have a static PT, but, I can't, I bearly have enough time to make this post. I just don't want to stand around... hours... LFG, because those hours are limited. Basically saying, I can only play 8 hours, so, spending 2 LFG isn't getting me far Lv'ing wise. Plus, every some Lv's I have to farm..., etc.

Put it this way, when you're limited to only being able to play on weekends... it's hard. No one else is in my situation on my server... so, I can't static PT with them. Luckily I have 2 weeks comming up. So, if I can hit 41, it would be great. Then, I can Lv sub, etc.

All my friends are in static PTs... I can't participate, it seems like everyone is in one nowadays, so, it really screws me over. Think about it: only able to get on weekends, all other people I can invite is in a static PT so they tell me "No!", plus, there isn't much to invite, and most of the time, the kids that are LFG, aren't in a static PT for a reason (and it's not the same as mine) they either can't play good, or, they can't play good...

I'm screwed, I think I'm just forced to quit...

Or, I should Lv BST... bah, I'm never going to survive in this game.

**neighbortaru** · 04-01-2004, 02:19 PM

dude, you're a rdm. you're never gonna be spending 2hrs lfg unless 1) you royally suck and 2) everyone and his kid brother becomes a rdm.

you are worrying way too much. just play and enjoy the game at your pace.

**Echo** · 04-01-2004, 02:31 PM

Originally posted by Funguwari
So the static PTing thing won't effect me at all?

No, it won't. Having a good group of friends around will help you (you're not going to solo missions, and you want to get rank 5 just for the airpass), but you don't need a static party.

You will be invited to parties for three reasons: 1) You can help the WHM keep everyone alive. WHM's can generate a lot of hate by curing, and even if there is a WHM in the party you helping out with cures will keep the everyone in better shape for faster chaining, safer fights (how the heck do gobs build tp so fast they can drop 2 bombs in 2 seconds...), and keeping aggro from the WHM.

2) You can debuff the monster like no other. You will be better at silencing, paralyzing, gravitizing(?!) the monster so that it goes down faster and does less damage to your party. Monsters that were unhittable due to high evasion suddenly get whacked.... monsters that Cocoon or whatever buff on themselves get Dispel'd. (I've seen RDM-less parties in Crawlers Nest.. it's painful watching them finally beat through Cocoon.. just to see it go right back up...)

3) At 40/41 you'll get Convert and Refresh and will have to go anon if you want to gil farm or craft or just talk to friends.

A bonus reason...
4) Magic Bursts. You won't do as much as a BLM but you'll still add a nice bonus to damage.

RDM's are wanted in parties about as much as a WHM (some say more, some say less...). Most parties want either a RDM or a BRD for the above reasons.

Really, if you have little time to devote to the game, and you want a class that's easy to get into pickup parties, RDM or WHM would be ideal, and I think RDM is far easier to level than WHM, especially since RDM's aren't anywhere near as fragile as other mages.

Almost all the other classes fall into the "miscellanous damage dealers"... what would motivate you to choose a DRK vs DRG, for example? It's pretty easy for the damage dealers to get lost in the crowd when people are making parties... not so for mages and tanks: they are specifically sought out.

**Beener** · 04-01-2004, 06:39 PM

I prefer BLM

The single reason is MP.

Before, and especially after refresh, MP is an issue with redmages. You get more from BLM sub.

Also, Conserve MP is a wonderful job trait.

Elemental Seal also helps with links that need to sleep for a LONG time, or other critical debuffs, or Magic Bursts.

Finally, RDM post 41 is one of the busiest jobs in the game, and you simply won't have the time to be the status cure person as well as your 10 other responsibilities.

**Deodorant** · 04-01-2004, 06:53 PM

Originally posted by Beener
Finally, RDM post 41 is one of the busiest jobs in the game, and you simply won't have the time to be the status cure person as well as your 10 other responsibilities.

Not entirely true ... my last party in Gustav was rdm/whm (me), brd/whm and blm/whm, so my duties were:

1. main healer.
2. refresh slave (pld tank, so 4 ppl).
3. debuff slave
4. blindna slave (skele area blind special attack thing)
5. protect/shell slave

I can tell you that this is one of the most hectic parties I've ever been in ... I couldn't even chat on LS because it was just constantly pressing macros. Also I literally could only rest one or two ticks after killing a mob before the puller grabbed next one. MP wasn't much of an issue thanks to refresh + ballad + witchkabob + dark staff; got 4.5k exp the first hour, then I leveled and gimped exp for everyone :spin:

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