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**Murphie** · 05-19-2006, 05:55 PM

Re: Greetings Rangers of Vana'diel

Well, Elvaan is pretty awesome in my opinion, but I suppose I have some bias. Then again, I've always thought that RNG is one of those jobs that any race can do well, provided they gear themselves correctly.

Anyway, I hope you have fun with it. I'm going to be taking it to 40 at least, so I'm sure I'll be scanning these forums for info too in a few months.^^

Oh, and you'll probably be asked to remove that avatar. Someone had it earlier, and it was quickly removed.

**Caspian** · 05-19-2006, 06:16 PM

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It really doesn't matter what race you choose, there are small differences in base stats, but its nothing that can't be changed with gear. Be whatever race you want, it'll be all good. As for guns, they used to be the end all be of all of big number damage. Now, with the changes to ranged attacks archery, more specifically Eurytos' Bow, is king. Crossbows also have their place too, but for brute force archery is definately where its at. (Got two turntables and a microphone....sorry, Beck is playing right now.)/WAR definately for huge damage numbers. As far as accuracy goes, you'll be doing more damage and have more accuracy as /WAR with Berserk and sushi, than you would with /NIN with attack food. Macht posted the general rule about it on one of these top threads.

**Ahinjel** · 05-19-2006, 06:25 PM

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Oh, on a sidenote...I'm trying to get back onto Fenrir server, I guess it shouldnt really matter though since I don't really know anyone anymore, but its the one I originally started out on. If any of you guys know anyone who can get me a WP, would be greatly appricated, thanks in advance.

**Atma** · 05-20-2006, 01:36 PM

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Basically from what I've seen while partying with rng (and my experiences as such), it's kind of an effectiveness "curve". elvaan will probably suffer a bit in the beginning with low AGI, but in the higher levels the str will help you out, versus mithra, who have an easier time at lower levels but lack str for the endgame. For example, my rng (who is only 18) was outparsing a hume ranger at the same level by about 10-15% (due to less wiffing), but I'm sure at higher levels that person would probably end up outparsing me by like 5-10% once accuracy becomes a bit less of an issue.

**Langley** · 05-20-2006, 03:06 PM

Re: Greetings Rangers of Vana'diel

Originally posted by Ahinjel

Oh, on a sidenote...I'm trying to get back onto Fenrir server, I guess it shouldnt really matter though since I don't really know anyone anymore, but its the one I originally started out on. If any of you guys know anyone who can get me a WP, would be greatly appricated, thanks in advance.

PM'd you a world pass for Fenrir, but you might want to see if the Return Home to Vana'diel thing can get your old character back first.

**Ahinjel** · 07-11-2006, 02:09 AM

Re: Greetings Rangers of Vana'diel

{Hello!} {Ranger}s! {Long time} no see. Well, I've finally made it to the point, I can start playing the job I wanted to play initially when I came back to FF, RANGER! Making a long story short. I changed my mind to MNK, and it was fun, for a little while, but just standing there ....standing there...while my character was indeed doing noticable dmg...just wasn't all I thought it would be. So, I went back and lvl'd WHM up to 45 w/BLM sj, and BRD to 37 along the way. All this was fun, yes. WHM and BLM I already knew how to play, BRD was something that I wanted to try out, my current LS need's one, so Im gonna take it to 75 to help out. Today however was the day I went back and lvl'd WAR to 10, and then got my RNG job. I was esstatic I must say! FINALLY I get to play the job I WANT to play more than any other. Currently at lvl6 trapsing around E.Sara. I picked up the +1 Lgt. Crossbow, and I gotta say. I definitely noticed off the bat the "nerf". I'm sure this has been hashed and rehashed so I will add nothing more than to say, yes I can notice I do less dmg the closer to the mob I am. I don't mind, I don't plan on being close when Im in a PT~

Now, for the questions. I was able to lvl Marksmanship to cap on WAR was I was leveling to 10, picked up the best Xbow I could at my lvl. Should I bother with the cheaper foods that grant +Acc +Ratk when I head to Valks/Quifm? I know its pretty much based on "Well, do you wanna put out cash for it at that lvl?", but just a general opinion is what I'm looking for I suppose.

Secondly, I had a discussion on the sj(I'll do myself and go over the fourms on this one)w/a buddy of mine as far as going /nin for DW'ing Archers(sorry, as much as I'd like Hawkers..heck Hawkers +1, the +2 Racc, and +1 Agi I'd get, just ain't worth the 2mil a pop, friggin sad how much inflation has taken them up costwise), or going WAR, using 1 Archer, eating Sushi, and using Berserk. Again, I'll be going over the fourms to catch up on alot of what I missed. If you wanna add anything to this post, feel free, don't mind in the least.

Now initially my crafting skill was going to be Alch, its pretty easy to make decent cash w/it, I also leveled food(some), nothing truly noticeable yet though. But my WW is still 5. I noticed its pretty much the right level to start crafting my own Bolts. So I plan on doing that to help out. I figure btwn porting for tips, making my own ammo, I should be able to save up some cash. I really wanted to go the route of Gun, I mean, call it personal preference I guess, but btwn that and Xbow, it just looks more appealing. And iirc, doesnt Euryto's have one of those drop rates that makes you scream if your even lucky enough to get the NM when it spawns? Going the route of Archery based on that is ...humm.. I'd pass.
I don't want to base my weapon selection on the hopes and chance I get lucky.

*Edit*
After reading some of the recent posts(info on which was better Xbow/Bow/Gun), it appears I shall indeed be seeking a Bow to lvl Archery with. A minor delay, but I didn't plan on rushing thru lvls on this particular job. To the point I'll be dropping PT's if I'm spending more money shooting arrows/bolts than XP Im getting lol.

You guys really {rock}!~

**VZX** · 07-11-2006, 08:50 AM

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Now, for the questions. I was able to lvl Marksmanship to cap on WAR was I was leveling to 10, picked up the best Xbow I could at my lvl. Should I bother with the cheaper foods that grant +Acc +Ratk when I head to Valks/Quifm? I know its pretty much based on "Well, do you wanna put out cash for it at that lvl?", but just a general opinion is what I'm looking for I suppose.

food is always good ^^

Secondly, I had a discussion on the sj(I'll do myself and go over the fourms on this one)w/a buddy of mine as far as going /nin for DW'ing Archers(sorry, as much as I'd like Hawkers..heck Hawkers +1, the +2 Racc, and +1 Agi I'd get, just ain't worth the 2mil a pop, friggin sad how much inflation has taken them up costwise), or going WAR, using 1 Archer, eating Sushi, and using Berserk. Again, I'll be going over the fourms to catch up on alot of what I missed. If you wanna add anything to this post, feel free, don't mind in the least.

Hawker's+1 is one of many items I would rate that the HQ-NQ performance difference is less than what you should pay for.
/NIN isn't truely beneficial until 28, neither is /WAR until you are 30.

If you are going to use crossbow + acid/holy bolt and fight mandragora / bat like I used to on that level, I suggest to go /NIN. I remember clearly it was almost impossible the PLD hold the hate from me (just from normal shooting) when I used that combination

After reading some of the recent posts(info on which was better Xbow/Bow/Gun), it appears I shall indeed be seeking a Bow to lvl Archery with. A minor delay, but I didn't plan on rushing thru lvls on this particular job. To the point I'll be dropping PT's if I'm spending more money shooting arrows/bolts than XP Im getting lol.

well the only reason I pick archery over gun for endgame fight is in this order:
1. PPA's very high accuracy
2. Selene's Bow (for very high accuracy)
3. can have potentially higher WS damage during unlimited shot + PPA WS

on the other cases, I usually carry around my Othinus' Bow. It's good for almost all situation I encountered

**Macht** · 07-11-2006, 09:48 AM

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Yeah, weapon wise a X-bow/Bow/Gun are versitile for different situations and having 2 RNGs working together with the three weapons available is down right sickening power.

For example 1 RNG using E-Bow and possess a PPA and 1 RNG using X-Bow with acid bolts and Darksteel bolts. One using E-Bow notifies when he's going to activate unlimited shot and do Sidewinder, then other RNG using X-Bow switches to acid bolts gets a hit or two off that actually downs the mobs defense.

Most of the time when this has been done my Sidewinders reach near 2.5k and Barrage gets close 1k damage. The person with the X-Bow using Darksteel also does well with Slug Shot getting him around 1.5k and Barrage around 600-800. Just crippling to the mob to get hit will all that damage at once and being from two sources hate is more dispursed and a little easier for a good tank to get back.

Heck if you got 2 RNGs and another job with decent Markmanship using an X-Bow you can do some crazy stuff with that as well. And since most of the RNGs WS chain with a large majority of combinations for Water or Ice skillchains just a lot of possibilities.

Basically it kind of seems to breakdown like:

X-bow = Best for effects type ammo (Sleep, poison, defense down, drain, etc...)
Bow = Possesses the strongest WS potential and some effects (It's cap on WSs seems to be higher then the rest)
Gun = Best DoT damage and more frequent WS (It caps out WS damage earlier then Bow, but can be ready for the next WS more frequently and damage per shot is the best if you are using the right bullets.)

**VZX** · 07-11-2006, 11:44 AM

Re: Greetings Rangers of Vana'diel

The last TP update bring the Othinus' Bow and other type of longbow TP gain closer to gun (in fact, there's 0 improvement on gun TP gain from the update). they now requires 7 shots to exceed 100 TP instead of previously 8(assuming there's no melee hit to give extra TP).

and gun needed and still need 6 shots to exceed 100 TP

**Macht** · 07-11-2006, 11:51 AM

Re: Greetings Rangers of Vana'diel

Originally posted by VZX

The last TP update bring the Othinus' Bow and other type of longbow TP gain closer to gun (in fact, there's 0 improvement on gun TP gain from the update). they now requires 7 shots to exceed 100 TP instead of previously 8(assuming there's no melee hit to give extra TP).

and gun needed and still need 6 shots to exceed 100 TP

Yeah, brought it closer but Gun still that 1 shot less to reach 100 TP. On top of that the Gun's WS damage still better then the O-Bows. Change made X-Bows cover more possiblities but still best effective for effects.

**Dryhus** · 07-11-2006, 01:25 PM

Re: Greetings Rangers of Vana'diel

Originally posted by Ahinjel

I once saw a video, I forgot the lad's name, or the server, Blue something or other. But it was a HNM fight, and I kid you not, he was hitting for somewhere around 1100 dmg, and CRIT for 3kish.

I'd like to see that video, even prior to the RNG nerf. >_>;

**Macht** · 07-11-2006, 03:09 PM

Re: Greetings Rangers of Vana'diel

No kidding if that regular shots then I don't believe it. I'd have to see that, and if it's on Sidewinders then still be intresting to see. Reaching 3K on a Sidewinder seems possible HNM must of been debuffed or crappy defense for that.

**Dryhus** · 07-11-2006, 04:05 PM

Re: Greetings Rangers of Vana'diel

75 Ebow/Selene's/Cerberus+1/Hellfire+1/Culverin RNG's Slugwinder on Borreal Hound, maybe.

**Spider-Dan** · 07-11-2006, 04:54 PM

Re: Greetings Rangers of Vana'diel

With NQ Culverin:

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