The Ranger situation

[Pounce]

Surprised that no one has brought this up on this board. Seems like it's a hot issue on many other boards.

What do you all think about RNG? Specifically RNG/NIN? There's a lot of cries for nerf out there.

[neighbortaru]

why? because they have to pay gil for each arrow they fire?

[Jei]

Rangers are really powerful. But because their power comes from the expense of their gil I don't think they deserve any nerf. I spent well over 600,000 gil levelling from 1 to 44, far more than any other jobs I've played (erase for Whm comes close, but you can get that from BCNM).
At 45 I'll have to upgrade from scorpion arrows to elementals and they cost roughly 2-3 times more per stack : / I'm expecting about 2 million gil there just for my ammo to level from 44 to 60.

[Gman]

What are they going to nerf? Not sure theres any way to modify rangers without completely screwing over those that have leveled them.

How about make all ammo rare/ex? :p Level woodworking or you cant be a ranger ^^

[Jei]

nooooo ; ;

[neighbortaru]

Jei joining the rangers? Inconceivable!

[Jei]

while waiting for zilart mission shouts yes ^^ I want sky access before continuing my Rdm into 70s, and it's a preparation to sidewinder with my Rdm ヽ(｀Д´)ノ.

Waiting on ZM6, Antican BC right now.

[_11of8]

My understanding on the "nerf ranger" aspect is the arrow burn parties that are being created. Wherever they go, they completely demolish the enemies around them, taking up an entire area that could support two or three parties. At high levels, this is extremely enfuriating to non arrow burn pts as there are very few places to level to begin with, and they cut down the number even more. In the past, this was somewhat okay, but with more people reching higher levels, and the number of places to level staying the same, it's become a bigger issue.

Mana burn parties are in the same boat, but less effective then arrow burn parties and more prone to death. Nothing like 2 classes screwing the rest of the population.

[Jei]

sounds like we need more levelling areas, not a weaker rangers >.>

[Pai Pai Master]

Moved to Ranger forum.

[neighbortaru]

Originally posted by Jei
sounds like we need more levelling areas, not a weaker rangers >.>

Yup. Agree wholeheartedly.

[_11of8]

Originally posted by Jei
sounds like we need more levelling areas, not a weaker rangers >.>

Would be great, if they did. I wouldn't want rangers damage to be nerfed, cause I like their damage on HNMs, but at the same time, with more people topping out and few new exp/merit spots opening up, it's likely going to get worse.

It's not just rangers though. Just seems inherintly wrong to me that a PT made up mostly of one class can go and get more exp or win $$BCNM and other difficult battles better than a "well ballanced" PT of single classes.

[Macht]

Originally posted by Jei
sounds like we need more levelling areas, not a weaker rangers >.>

That sounds right to me.

Originally posted by _11of8
Would be great, if they did. I wouldn't want rangers damage to be nerfed, cause I like their damage on HNMs, but at the same time, with more people topping out and few new exp/merit spots opening up, it's likely going to get worse.

It's not just rangers though. Just seems inherintly wrong to me that a PT made up mostly of one class can go and get more exp or win $$BCNM and other difficult battles better than a "well ballanced" PT of single classes.

Ever seen an alliance party with each of the 3 sections focused for Tank, Damage, and Support? It's wild and they can clear what would of supported 8+ parties. I've only seen this 1 time outside of a Dynamis like thing, to bad they wouldn't respond when I asked them a few questions, was curious to find out why they were allianced.

From the look of it they seemed to be EXP'ing if that was the case then I wonder how good the EXP actually was, I wouldn't think it to be that great. Anyway point is anyone can screw a design over easily and make it seem frustrating if you make EXP'ing the only focus or goal in the game.

[swiften]

Originally posted by _11of8
My understanding on the "nerf ranger" aspect is the arrow burn parties that are being created. Wherever they go, they completely demolish the enemies around them, taking up an entire area that could support two or three parties. At high levels, this is extremely enfuriating to non arrow burn pts as there are very few places to level to begin with, and they cut down the number even more. In the past, this was somewhat okay, but with more people reching higher levels, and the number of places to level staying the same, it's become a bigger issue.

Then we need to make ranged attacks weaker against weapons. Simple idea.

Or add a new exp spot or two.

[Jei]

Originally posted by _11of8
Just seems inherintly wrong to me that a PT made up mostly of one class can go and get more exp or win $$BCNM and other difficult battles better than a "well ballanced" PT of single classes.

I see what you mean there. But i'll confess 1 reason I'm levelling Ranger is for BCNM too

But in the other hand, I don't really know how I can level my rangers to 60+ without funds from BCNM either...