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[Thegod]

Originally posted by poweryoga
i use x-bow a lot for xp parties and i still notice the effects of str. Maybe its due to the fact that str increases your weapon damage overall but not the WS damage itself. That'd be a bit more believable.

I'm very interested in trying out str gears for exping but unfortunately not much oppoturnities has popped up lately.

Also, when you're parsing dmg between x-bow and bow user in the same group, its not accurate because acid bolt damage benefit bow users too. Might want to keep that in mind.

yeah see half the problem for me why i havent tried a str set is because i couldnt bring my rng acc. set too.

and im sure all of you know how annoying missing is, i'd be heartbroken if i was miss happy with all that gil in gears, and knwoing i could have avoided all those misses by not giving in to couriousity has been just too much for me untill now.

now its like errr your my static, im gonna try this please dont be too mad i i end up going back to jeuno for my cookie cutter set of gears.

[Tokitoki]

Originally posted by ZQM
Well, there's too many factors that go into it (Mostly mobs VIT and ATK which will differ from mob to mob) and the fact that it's such a minisqual boost (+2). If I had something like +10 AGI macros in, I'm sure there would be a large difference.

Yea thats pretty much what i was trying to say but couldnt really word it.

I was under the impression that Marks WS were only effected by AGI... thats what everyone says at least >.> I know Ranged Attack/Damage with Marks isnt only AGI, but for WS...?

[ZQM]

WS damage is based on your STR v.s. Mobs VIT, your ATK v.s. mobs DEF, your weapons DMG, and modified by AGI.

So raising STR does raise WS damage.

[Thegod]

yea its funny how alot of people are under the impression marks WS damage is only affected by agi, i mean its a very COMMON mistake....

no1 should be bashed for thinking that, i hear it more then the correct versian.

[kissboys]

don't be a pussy and eat sushi. eat atk food and be a real man

[Fire]

I tried sole sushi in xp party last night, wyvern helm instead of optical, flame rings instead of mermans. I didnt see anything good about this. I shot for about 20damage less per shot and 300 or so less per slug shot.

[Tokitoki]

I thought you were saying that STR is a main modifier for Marks WS... Of course all WS are effected by STR/Attack somehow but it isnt a modifier like it is for Bow is it (WS modified by STR and AGI)

[kowboy]

Originally posted by kissboys
don't be a pussy and eat sushi. eat atk food and be a real man

Xalar does the least damage in our PT and eats attack food.

Originally posted by fire
I tried sole sushi in xp party last night, wyvern helm instead of optical, flame rings instead of mermans. I didnt see anything good about this. I shot for about 20damage less per shot and 300 or so less per slug shot.

Everyone does the same thing and look at "per shot" and "per WS" but Nny actually parsed the DMG from a 4 RNG PT, 2 of which use the same weapons, 1 sushi and 1 atk food. The sushi user's DMG was higher by 100-300 (average throughout exp session) with 16-20% acc over the attack food user. So while you see better results per shot with attack food (10-20 dmg per bolt over sushi), you hit more often and end up with the higher overall dmg with acc foods.

[ZQM]

Also Fira, you're 75. I'm guessing VT weapons? From a melee perspective, 10-20 ACC is all I need on those. A 75 RNG has 48 ACC from job traits alone (link). Add on the AGI from equipment and ACC from weapons and I wouldn't imagine needing anything other ACC-related.

[imac2much]

Originally posted by Tokitoki
I thought you were saying that STR is a main modifier for Marks WS... Of course all WS are effected by STR/Attack somehow but it isnt a modifier like it is for Bow is it (WS modified by STR and AGI)

Right. Everyone knows that all WS are affected by STR and ATK in some way or another, but you are correct when you say that markmanship WS only have AGI secondary modifier.

Originally posted by Thegod
yea its funny how alot of people are under the impression marks WS damage is only affected by agi, i mean its a very COMMON mistake....

no1 should be bashed for thinking that, i hear it more then the correct versian.

The misconception Thegod was referring to was that he thought STR had NOTHING to do with markmanship WS, which of course, is incorrect. Only you have ever stated this in these forums Thegod, and I have looking through RNG threads longer than you have. I should know, because the ONLY reason people started talking about how AGI was more important for xbow than bow was because of the WS thread I posted on the PLD forums, which clearly shows that STR and ATK affect EVERY WEAPON SKILL IN THE GAME. Learn to read.

Originally posted by ZQM
Also Fira, you're 75. I'm guessing VT weapons? From a melee perspective, 10-20 ACC is all I need on those. A 75 RNG has 48 ACC from job traits alone (link). Add on the AGI from equipment and ACC from weapons and I wouldn't imagine needing anything other ACC-related.

For 75+ gameplay when you're just going for merit points, people tell me that accuracy is still *somewhat* important, just to hit as many sidewinders as you can. But like you say, since you're just fighting VT weapons most of the time (maybe aura pots if it's not crowded, but like that ever happens), you can let loose with +str gear and double minuet... if you feel you miss too much with sidewinders you could always just stick to heavy shot/arching arrow.

And the reality is that not all parties are willing to fight IT or IT++ all the time. I remember one time my static tried mass chaining VT raptors one xp session, and VT skimmers/steelshells another xp session when we were missing a 6th member. In these cases I took off both hawker+1 and just used 2 axes (not even francisca, because I don't think I was at the right level to use it at the time). Parsings didn't show any significant decrease of accuracy. Nsxtasy tried it too I think and we agreed it didn't make much of a difference on VT monsters.

[nsxtasy]

I havn't xp'd rng in a few weeks, so I don't have any info on str build for xp recent, but last night on Fafnir I was using Osode and Wyverns Helm which is essentially trading 20 rng acc for 15 Str.
Using O-bow w/ acids/darksteel I was missing more than I normally would for sure. I had forgotten to put on Dusk pants and once I did, that made the difference and I was hitting for pretty high % again. I think I was only using squid sushi, and no bard to prelude.
Darksteel was hitting for ~98-108 or so and Slug Shot was doing ~610 most every time (still don't have the CP Bolt >_<). I have all filters on so I can't say what the other rngs were hitting.
I don't recall these numbers being much more damage than when I wore Optical Hat and AF body.
Next xp session I do (usually VTish Weapons in sky), I'll try 2 different setups and see if I get the same stuff as Fira.

[Thegod]

i was letting a friend borrow some blm gears, and i didnt even think to try this.

i have a vulcan staff and was wondering for xping at 62, would this even me a viable choice (with squid sushi seeing as how im losing 6 agi the sushi would replace 5 of that i think)

i hate missing, but it seems like 5 agi 5 str 6 dex and 10 rng attack would be very nice.

at the cost of 1 agi (difference between wut hawkers give and sushi) and 24 rng accuracy

[nsxtasy]

Fire/Vulcan staff has been tried. Not a viable option. Too much loss of range acc. Not to mention tp loss from dagger swings. The str and rng atk gained w/ the staff isn't even close to offsetting what is lost by unequipping hawkers.

[imac2much]

But remember we tried that before sushi for +rng acc food nsx. Perhaps it's worth a shot again? I'd assume you'd get about the same amount of TP from swinging the staff as you would with daggers as long as your staff skill is capped. Then again it's true that when we tried it , it didn't add that much offensive power...

[ZQM]

RNG/NIN doesn't have staff skill; ;

I think I hit the mob once in all the time I was using it.