Level Ninja = (No Thanks)

[Caspian]

Originally posted by Spider-Dan
tiny damage elemental Ichis (really boring and slow),

So its not just me? I used an elemental (lightning I think since thats what the crab was weak to) and it did 6 dmg....6 DMG!!! I do twice that with only one katana. Am I missing something or does everyone have that kind of shitty damage?

[nekote]

Originally posted by Prince Caspian
So its not just me? I used an elemental (lightning I think since thats what the crab was weak to) and it did 6 dmg....6 DMG!!! I do twice that with only one katana. Am I missing something or does everyone have that kind of shitty damage?

Those elemenal spells aren't meant to do damage, its for lowering the mobs resistance to a certain element. So for example if you do Raiton you lower the mobs resistance to earth.

As for nin being boring to lvl, yeah its pretty boring till u get Utsusemi Ni, then it gets fun.

[Anakron]

Leveling any lower-leveled job can have it's pains. For example, I died about 8 times straight when my NIN was level 11 (never got EXP for 2 mobs in a row) because of this insanely crappy tank. But after I got Utsusemi, it was so nice because there was next to no downtime (crabs and goblins were usually half-dead by the time my shadows wore).

[Navia]

I just can't imagine rangers not having /nin leveled up and ready to use if a party will function better with it.
best parties i've had have been
nin, rngx3, rdm,blm
or
nin, rngx2, rdm,rdm,blm
I tank the first 30% of the fight then the rangers start to bounce hate amongst each other and are able to recast ichi while they skillchain or barrage to make it attack someone else. They usually kill the thing off before the magic bursts land

rng/war is nice if you have a thf in the party but still its painful to watch a rng/war get chewed up for 200 damage criticals briefly while the thf sa+ta's on the tank.

Side note about Ichi elemental ninjitsu's, yes they suck but its worth tossing around hyoton:ichi just to cap ninjitsu skill and see if you can time the casting to magic burst with them while busily blink tanking :p

[Elsurion]

As for /war vs. /nin. I was able to do yesterday an example why /nin.

We weren't able to get a THF to our NIN tank, so i hold back around 30 ~ 50% of my fire. In that way i didn't steal the hate from the tank, but he did had some troubles sometimes to recast utsu or it was eaten too fast away.
So i tried to get the hate to me, that the nin can recast it and voke it off me.
As Ranger it's easy to get hate at 33, use Barrage and fire it. Or fire as if it has no tomorrow. But you have to be /nin or you'll get hit for around 90dmg/hit from the bat/beetle. By the time your utsu is away, the tank can voke it back.

It is someting i've seen in the Cita with my Ranger and i'm going only /nin not anymore /war. 2 Archer's Knifes gives me +20 RAcc not only +10RAcc. I don't need that way the way too expensive Hawkers(+1/+2 [200k/400k]) or Hawkers+1 (+2/+4 [1.8Mio/3.6Mio])

And Leveling in the Dunes is a pain, but go trough it. It is worth it on the long shot. No hits while pulling, can help tank, needed for Promatia Missions.

[Beastlord]

Yeh I'm slowly working through the dunes as nin, personally I have the worst luck/worst pts in the dunes, no where else i have this prob. Oh well I figure If I can waste 4hrs in the dunes and get 1k-2k xp I can be to lvl 20 in a week or two .... sad but thats the xp rate

[tdh]

Honestly, with any job, trying to level through the Dunes is a chore. A lot of the people don't fully understand how to build a party, most people think WARs do an amazing amount of damage and want a party of 5 WARs. It's often very difficult to even find mages of any kind. Poor RDMs being forced to be Main Cure Monkey.

Not to mention as a NIN, at Lv.12 it's highly unlikely your Ninjitsu level is anywhere near cap. So your Ninjitsu isn't going to draw much hate, and you're going to get interrupted all the time.

However, if you can build yourself a good team, you could blow through the Dunes in one day. (3 BLMs and a WHM, or 2 RNGs, BLM and a WHM. Fun, fun, fun!! Lv.17, doing Distortion and 3 BLM's Magic Bursting with Blizzard. Those are the days!!)

Really you just have to suck it up. I have been fortunate in the past. Having LS mates who have been in the same level range. So a few of use head to the Dunes, and then pick up what else we need. That's how I leveled WAR so quickly. A Mithran with RNG ambitions needed NIN sub. So him as NIN/WAR, and myself as WAR/MNK we tanked pretty damn well together.

[Kuaiffxi]

I didnt even use nin sub till 59 when i got my first pt in onzozo and almost died every pull cause they run so fast. now at 70 there are times i feel i could sub war and get away with it if we have a paladin tank. ninjas tanks however its nice to have shadows to blink once you WS to start the chain. although at 74 i dont see myself subbing anything else but /nin so i can never die again.

[taps]

NIN sub at 74 won't prevent you from dieing lol.

[sharlngan]

Originally posted by taps
NIN sub at 74 won't prevent you from dieing lol.

lol yep theres downtime for utsu ichi and ni

[Thegod]

NIN SUCKS TIL LEVEL 25.

I hated leveling nin too, untill i hit level 16, and decided hey let me put some gil into nin and hopefully it will level faster.

got the bone set+1 witch adds +4 evasion total, and travler's another +3 evasion, and the cotton headband another +3 evasion, and i then felt truely like a nin, my parrying and evasion were capped from leveling rng to 40, and blm to 55 (evasion capped by blm when i pulled hate with freeze burst or other hard hitting spells)

I was then parrying mobs attacks, evading attacks, the first 6 shadows before recast became an issue would be all i needed sometimes, so nin is alot of fun, tons of fun if you get all the evasion you need.

at level 25 you get access your emp hairpin (god that is the greatest ever for nin) and winged boots, and most inportantly full federation gear <---that gear adds alot of accuracy, ranged accuracy, ranged attack, and evasion, it is basically an all in one nin package of greatness, and it could easily last well into the 30s, and i have no qualms about using it till 37

[Funguwari]

Originally posted by Beastlord
I used war about 80% of the time also, never subbed nin unless for BCNM's or helping others with AF's or something. I have a half static. Bard, Pld, and Rdm, we just pull 2 others and I never had to hold back very much even when I use beserk. Hardly ever miss and if you know when to unleash Ws's its fine. But I didnt post to get slammed by some pld cause of my opinions on weather I should lvl nin or not. I'll eventually lvl it, just dont have the everyday patience or time with having a 12 hr job and about 4 other ingame active jobs I lvl. True /nin comes in handy, true the arguement have been posted plenty times, true I could careless what others think I know I have better gear than most rngs in my lvl range and nin just isnt that big a deal to me. But I will try once more.... end of story Imac sorry you had to reply to such irrelevence to your ever busy life. Just be happy I dont know you in real life or I might have to pay you a visit for your little comment.


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You sir, it's just best you: SHUT THE FUCK UP!

[Anakron]

Originally posted by Funguwari
You sir, it's just best you: SHUT THE FUCK UP!

And it's also best that you not dig out threads over a month old in an attempt to boost your ego by flaming idiots.

[lieb39]

Closed. You don't bring up old threads... and you don't flame.

Anakron: He's bringing up his ego or warning points?


-lieb39