Ranger party, How did I rank? Parser

[Ririkai]

http://home.socal.rr.com/allielle/summary-9-27-04.htm

that's the Summary... it say... summary......GO!

Party make up is Rng/nin rng/nin rng/nin whm/blm smn/whm brd/whm.

mostly around level 69[mages are kinda... really low *cough 67*]

parser isn't super accurate. But the best thing about this ranger party[no tank] it is that, we all have slightly different gear. Of course it plays an importent role. Ie) acid bolts, E-bow, CParrow/bolt

This summary was by no means, our best performance nor were we slacking off[of course it was 10pm at night. meh]

anyhow, got any question, or you just want to flame me, feel free; I'm a weakly little tarutaru ranger ; ;

othernote, when you look at damage and evade. The puller usually keeps the hate for a while. [since I don't pull... I usually can't generate enough hate without using JAs or WS- by means of normal shot... if you will]

hope the link works.. I might take it down one day. so if it doesn't work later... good luck..

[imac2much]

Wow that's extremely informative. The RNG1 has the same equipment I'm using or plan to use, except for the Sniper+1's. (too pricey for me, and I don't really want to sacrifice RNG ACC for melee ACC... RNG gets inherent +melee ACC anyway). I'm curious how a gun RNG would fare against the same mobs.

I'm at somewhat of a crossroads myself, since I am debating whether to use Musk Gun+1 + silver bullets or e-bow + demon/scorp once I hit the respective levels... also wondering when it is safe for me to go /WAR without being a drain on the healer's MP (if ever). I still get aggro occasionally with /NIN, so maybe I should just keep that forever unless I have a really good PLD tank or PT with a good THF or DRK/THF I guess.

[Ririkai]

I used a musket gun+1 + silver bullets, It pretty much emptied my pocket[I'm not rich, but I'm lazy to horde gils ie) super crafting, but it's nice to know I can horde gils], but at around level 65+ using a gun+bullets, pretty much only did like +30-50 damage more than warbow+1 scorpion. Then again silverbullets cost 11k gils per 99[7k gils if you make them, 2.5-4.5k gils if you can HQ them.. yea good luck with that]

I don't think I'm going to parser on bullets =P

As for ninja sub vs war sub, I can't really take the hate off a pld [lv68] with a ninja sub unless I use JAs AND WS[assuming slug shot, and it doesn't miss, which it would... if no bard. otherwise i'm better off firing a 100% heavyshot, rather than a 150-200% slug-and still miss]

I only used war sub once, and I was tanking[with earth staff] orcs... damn orc drg jump me for 400 damage with defender.

At level 62 I did do rng/brd and preluded myself + other ranger... it was less than trilling, and it didn't do much good[low singing skillz] and toramas has super high evasion ; ;. [damn that ose too, I only got like 8 shots in out of 30++]

But with ranger parties[with/without a pld], it pretty much if depends if you have a bard or not... bard's prelude = 100%TP slugshot/sidewinder with a reallylow chance of missing. Then all you do is spam sidewinder or renkei a reverb[meh alot of things resist water except orcs and raptors]

So when it comes down to it.....
Rng/war = standard exp party [pld etc, with/without bard]
Rng/nin = standard exp party [with thf... kind of a give take thing, if there is no one else able to voke, then you A) have to not miss the first shot and blink the first 3 hit to let the thf trick off the pld, or B) war sub and voke it, and get slapped silly for 3 hits totaling for 600 damage+ ]. Ranger parties is nin sub must... mostly.. unless 1 ranger is willing to earth staff and voke it[god I hope it won't be me]
Rng/sam = it's a job with a lot of JAs, try not to lose your CP arrow/bolt, fun with meditate + 3rd eye.
rng/brd = meh, Only i'm stupid enough to try this... /sulk...
rng/thf = MUG is your friend, if it wasn't 15 min long, or steal a gold coin.[MUG on nm or HNM ^^ easy money]

remember War bow +1 + CP arrow[windy] > ebow
acid bolts + dia2 + choke + anything else to -def or +atk

[imac2much]

Although I realize the fact that silver bullets are expensive, I'm just wondering if it does indeed do more damage than e-bow and scorp/demons. I.e. if money were not an issue at all, would e-bow and scorp/demon or musk+1 (hellfire later) and silver bullets do more damage?

Also I am confused by the following quote:

Originally posted by Ririkai
remember War bow +1 + CP arrow[windy] > ebow
acid bolts + dia2 + choke + anything else to -def or +atk

Why the War Bow+1? E-bow user can use PPA too o_o , or do you just mean warbow+1 + PPA > Ebow + Demon Arrow?

[Anakron]

Originally posted by imac2much
Although I realize the fact that silver bullets are expensive, I'm just wondering if it does indeed do more damage than e-bow and scorp/demons. I.e. if money were not an issue at all, would e-bow and scorp/demon or musk+1 (hellfire later) and silver bullets do more damage?

I thought you saw this post already, but in case you haven't, click here.

And the 3rd Ranger's numbers give me hopes of not having to use OBow (hate the looks of marksmanship) or buy the EBow, and just sticking to Sarnga and War Bow+1 with scorps/demons/CP. Thanks for the parse.

It takes a special kind of bard being able to prelude 3 rangers, he keeps wanting to minuet 3/4, we just slap him and say NO, sidewinder/slug miss enough with prelude.

[greysenn]

Hey, thats pretty good for warbow and scorps (& PPA) considering all the flak I've heard about them being "vastly inferior" :D

[Anakron]

Originally posted by greysenn
Hey, thats pretty good for warbow and scorps (& PPA) considering all the flak I've heard about them being "vastly inferior" :D

Looking more closely at the results, I think I may see why. Ranger1 (EBow, which I believe does slightly less than guns) had a maximum WS damage of 1900. Ranger3 (War Bow +1) had a maximum WS damage of 1700. Ranger1's average WS hit for about 60 more than Ranger3's, but Ranger1's normal shot hit for, on average, 20 more than Ranger 3's. Most people would naturally conclude that Ranger1 "owns" Ranger3. However, Ranger3 hit 5 more WS than Ranger1, which amounts to over 6000 more damage (1200 each). So to make up for this 6000, the 2 rangers would have to land 300 shots each (6000 / 20 = 300). One can see that neither fired that many shots total.

There are undoubtedly many other small variables, but the end result was that Ranger3 barely lost to Ranger1 in terms of damage. So it would appear that the CP arrow makes more of a difference than an EBow. However, the damage difference might've been due to Ranger1 easing up a bit so the other 2 rangers could take it off of him. Who knows. :p

(The whole analysis was based on the 40 for Ranger3 and 35 for Ranger1 under "WS," and this difference was due to the PPA. If this was just how many WSs were released, and not how many landed, or if Ranger1 was just having a bad day, then my argument is completely nullified.)

[Drachol]

This log is rigged,



it didn't count my requiem damage.

[greysenn]

He could've been having a bad day. The PPA really does seem help land WS somewhat though. (For as much as the bloody thing costs, I should hope so.)

Anycase, it's always interesting how such small differences in the log add up.

[Ririkai]

Tada~ Here's some more parser of this earlier's party, formate was slightly different.

Rng/nin Rng/nin Rng/nin whm/blm barrrd/whm rdm/blm[new~]

Everyone else was the same.
Ranger with the ebow didn't want to get slapped around so he stopped using demon arrows.

http://home.socal.rr.com/allielle/summary-9-28-04.html

I'm level 70 and the bard is 67 >.<
/punt the bard.

[greysenn]

The guy with the ebow is also 2 levels lower. He's probably going to get slapped around until he catches up.

[imac2much]

Considering all the money and time RNG2 put into his equipment, he still didn't have his Axe skills maxed?? That probably makes a pretty significant difference. If you noticed, RNG3 did 3k more melee damage than RNG2. But if both RNG had axe skills maxed, with his extre melee ACC, he would be doing more melee damage...

However, the fact that he has to "hold back" due to his high damage, I'm assuming he intentionally wants his damage lower. I am thinking that if he wanted to go all out all the time (demon arrows, PPA for WS) and had maxed axe skills, he would be doing ~10k more total damage than RNG3.

But I guess this proves that super damage isn't the most important thing in this 3 RNG PT. However, if I PT with a THF, I want to do as much damage as possible, so I can turn the mob for sidewinder ->dancing edge (later heavy shot/arching arrow -> shark bite). So in this case, it seems that of those 3 choices, E-bow with demons is best bet. However, I still want to know how well guns match up against this... IMO since silver bullets are so expensive, I'd expect gun to do *more* damage than E-bow... with RNG ACC+10, I hope I don't miss too many slugshots

I did see that allakhazam post before... I kinda forgot about it since it had so much debating and stuff, but it makes sense. I guess gun + sbullet does do more damage overall, but I guess sometimes you don't want to do that much damage... aaah this is so confusing :p Well I'm almost high enough to use guns so I'll use those til 55 at the very least and see what I think.

[greysenn]

Bah, If thats the case, you'll want an E-bow + PPA to turn mobs. Heh

The accuracy on that stupid WS is still quasi random without a bard though. Acc+ helps, but I still whiffed a few shows with my PPA the other night on VT mobs to boot :/

In the e-bows ranger case there, they probably wanted to bounce aggro around, and using demons it was likely he held it pretty well with his higher damage per shot. I don't blame the guy for switching over.

[imac2much]

Sigh, Bastok is always last... I wonder if I'll ever be able to get that PPA ><

I guess until I can obtain a PPA gun is the way to go.....

[RangerDade]

rikikai where did you get your paser? i need 1 to play with :spin: