E-Bow.. Worth it?

[sharlngan]

mc is more for your buck, thing is its level 70 meanwhile ebow is 55

im thinking im gonna use obow alot like poweryoga ^^ yoga lets go kill dwyvernpoacher drachlox

[2.0]

Originally posted by RangerDade
no, what i mean is MC bow has a Dmg/Delay of 0.143 with no real worthwhile dmg mods (acc is nice but almost every other item slot goes to acc) E Bow has a Dmg/Delay of 0.145 with ends up being the same, but its bonus stats are much better.

if any1 was wondering

Ebow / demon arrow = 0.181
Obow/ holy bolt = 0.138*

*crossbow is hard to compare with because of acid bolt effect and +dmg on holy bolts, but on things those dont work on (i.e. HNMs and WS to an effect) Ebow crushes it

Not with this damage/delay crap again. But anyway the best damage "modifier" is more damage which master casters bow has over eurytos bow. I guess next you're gonna tell me about how Ebow does more damage than a gun because it has a higher "damage to delay ratio".

[poweryoga]

Not with this damage/delay crap again. But anyway the best damage "modifier" is more damage which master casters bow has over eurytos bow. I guess next you're gonna tell me about how Ebow does more damage than a gun because it has a higher "damage to delay ratio".

So you're telling me you'll take a 6 point base damage difference over +23 Rattack. The +23 Rattack smoothes out the curve so much that the 6 point base damage does less damage overall because of the erratic damage spread. Against IT mobs, you're not going to hit the damage cap.

Maybe you were referring to fearsome savanna rarabs, in that case, M.Cst bow is probably better on those.

Not to mention +3 str raises your maximum damage curve.

We'll ignore the 3 agi.

M.Cst bow has a 5 accuracy lead, but by lvl 71 you have so much +acc gear that you don't really give a shit about 5 more accuracy. My barrages usually land in full and I'm subbing WARRIOR, using FRANSISCA, with ONTHIUS BOW, not dual wielding hawkers with prelude on.

and a Gun's Damage to delay ratio is higher, if you're wondering.

You like to make generalizations when you have no first hand experience. I'll believe you when you have compared the 2 bows and tell me the M.Cst.Bow does more damage than the E-bow.

Actually, don't, because you don't have a lvl 71 ranger. whoops. :spin:

[sharlngan]

NO NOT THE RARABS ANYTHING BUT THE RARABS AAAAAAARGGGGGGGGH SAVE ME YOGA ><

[l)@RK-l)EVIL]

you can use high lv arrows with low lv bow ... didnt know that so what =P my rng lv is 5 XD

anyway E-bow DMG still low when you see the high lv bows DMG
for me when i buy weapon
#1 weapon DMG (with my 600~ attack food + berserk + last resort and weapon with low DMG i hit lv 5 mobs for 15~ >.>)

thats mean you will never get the max damage with E-bow but like what i said its very nice bow to have from 55->71

[RangerDade]

2.0, your one of those people that use sernga because it does 1 bit hit over 10 seconds while warbow+1 does 2 hits in 10 seconds for more dmg. I have used MCbow and Ebow, ebow does slightly more dmg and is slightly faster therefore better. And gun DPS is shitty, its hyped up, The only time id used a gun is if i had like ridill and kraken club to gain tp with, and only use gun for barrage and WS.

[greysenn]

anyway E-bow DMG still low when you see the high lv bows DMG

What are you talking about? Ebow is a top tier bow by any means.

As for the M.Casters being better, I'm not sure. I don't know that I'd trade it for an E-bow, but by the same, I don't think I'd trade an E-bow for it either.

6 (on in this case 5) damage for me is definitely noticeable, but by the same token I'm not suffering an attack loss to get it. I'll have to do a parse later on when I get there, I've got a feeling that even without being from windurst both bows will perform very similarly in terms of damage. (M.C being spikey or not)

[sharlngan]

devil if ur dmg caps at 15 with a low level weapon, somethings wrong with your character

what do you mean higher level bow dmg? the only other bow that out damages EBOW is the relic bow upgrades

[Spider-Dan]

Originally posted by poweryoga
So you're telling me you'll take a 6 point base damage difference over +23 Rattack. The +23 Rattack smoothes out the curve so much that the 6 point base damage does less damage overall because of the erratic damage spread. Against IT mobs, you're not going to hit the damage cap.

Actually, from everything I've seen, when people log their battle damage of Sarnga vs. War +1, Sarnga usually comes out even or slightly ahead, even with it's hideous delay. Master Caster's vs. Eurytos is almost exactly the same comparison (lots of +RATK vs. 6 more base DMG and lots more RACC), but MC doesn't have Sarnga's delay.

RATK simply cannot hold a candle to base DMG.

M.Cst bow has a 5 accuracy lead, but by lvl 71 you have so much +acc gear that you don't really give a shit about 5 more accuracy. My barrages usually land in full and I'm subbing WARRIOR, using FRANSISCA, with ONTHIUS BOW, not dual wielding hawkers with prelude on.

Are you fighting exp mobs, or HNM? Against HNM, unless you have Seiryu's Kote, you're probably going to need every scrap of RACC you can get.

and a Gun's Damage to delay ratio is higher, if you're wondering.

Eurytos' & scorps- 95/580 = 0.1638 damage per delay
Hellfire+1 & silvers- 123/880 = 0.1398 damage per delay

...

P.S. THF/NIN damage per delay with Chicken Knife & Hornetneedle = 0.1335 (not counting Sneak Attack)

Damage per delay calculations are pretty useless.

[poweryoga]

Actually, from everything I've seen, when people log their battle damage of Sarnga vs. War +1, Sarnga usually comes out even or slightly ahead, even with it's hideous delay. Master Caster's vs. Eurytos is almost exactly the same comparison (lots of +RATK vs. 6 more base DMG and lots more RACC), but MC doesn't have Sarnga's delay.

that would be true except you're not taking into account of weapon skills, in which case E-bow is vastly superior. And the fact at lvl 71 you don't need that Acc.

For sarnga, it is incredibly more accurate at its level so it returns a lot more TP on barrages and hits in general. On normal attacks the damages even out because Sarnga has a bigger variation than Warbow, but hits much more often around the lvl 60 mark when you start fighting annoying high Eva mobs like toramas and flies, so the accuracy is more precious.

Are you fighting exp mobs, or HNM? Against HNM, unless you have Seiryu's Kote, you're probably going to need every scrap of RACC you can get.

Actually, both. Against some HNMs it doesn't matter what bow you have, because you're not going to hit it without double prelude + kote + sharpshoot + shitload of acc stuff anyways. On other ones, I'll be using O-bow and still hitting whatever for 99% of the time.

You don't always need every last scrap of Racc for all HNMs, and on some EXP mobs and party setup, you don't need it either. (especially past lvl 70 when you get just a shitload of RAcc + equipments and the final Acc up trait).

I usually forgo +agi equipment in favor of more Rattack or even +acc just because I already go so much +racc that it won't matter if i lose 5 agi or not.

as for the delay.... Won't comment on that because its affected by too many things.

[l)@RK-l)EVIL]

Originally posted by sharlngan
devil if ur dmg caps at 15 with a low level weapon, somethings wrong with your character

what do you mean higher level bow dmg? the only other bow that out damages EBOW is the relic bow upgrades

my cap was not only 15 i hit sometimes for 20 and sometimes 10 but most of the time 15~
i changed weapon and my hits become 200~ with same atk and STR
there is nothing wrong with my character if you dont believe me go fight low lv mobs and you will see
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weapon DMG cap your max damage no matter how high your attack and STR you will never ever get your max damage with E-bow thats what i said

e-bow DMG 71
Master Caster DMG 77
master caster > E-bow thats what i think

[Hisdon]

um...the lvl 71 RNG/SAM bow? 75 dmg +17 attack? @.@ it looks like a good subestute....

[poweryoga]

weapon DMG cap your max damage no matter how high your attack and STR you will never ever get your max damage with E-bow thats what i said

You're never going to be hitting your max damage on IT enemies anyways. +23 smooths out a lot of the curve so you'll be hitting at the max damage your bow can do, while MC is very erratic in its damage from my experiences anyways. (+-10 damage)

Then there's also less delay on the E-bow which lets you shoot more, raising your DOT overall.

I don't know any rangers that use shigeto's, because it has a huge delay and MC's delay is a lot better for similar base damage and better accuracy. (for windy ppl only)

[Hisdon]

Originally posted by poweryoga

I don't know any rangers that use shigeto's, because it has a huge delay and MC's delay is a lot better for similar base damage and better accuracy. (for windy ppl only)

it's a difference of 60 delay, Shigeto's has 600 delay with 75 base dmg and a nice +17 ranged attack, and Master Caster's has the 77 base dmg 540 delay with less attack but some +acc...to me if you arn't a Windurstrain I'd go with the Shigeto's...

[Spider-Dan]

Here's some more food for thought.

Two almost identically equipped RNG/NIN, one with E-bow & demons, the other with Musketeer's +1 & silvers. Log results here.

SPOILER: Musketeer's wins.

Makes one wonder how much a Hellfire would win by...