elvaan or mithra?

[MurviD]

sooo...
i tried rng out with my liiitle taru, and im loving it. gotten to 16 so far ^^
i soon realized that i would be better off with another race for all those lovely meleejobs i wanna try out.. created a mithra, got it up to 10is in many jobs.. thought again.. elvaan? i already have an elvaan at 20ish from an earlier "rethinking" so maybe i can use that?

now, rng is in short terms r.acc > r.att > agi > str... or thats what ive heard.. elvaan has around lvl60 8 more str i believe, and mithra around 7ish more r.acc..
but hey, you are still going to boost r.acc as freakin hell, -acc+r.acc rings, archer/hawker knifes, drones, you name it.. but then again, a ranger can never get enough r.acc, can they?
ive allso read that 2str=1r.att and 1att.. but att (both r and regular) raises the average dmg and the str boosts the max dmgso just raise your att/r.att wouldnt be as efficient as if u got a little more +str... and a mithra rng with +str items would get flamed in notime, whilst a rng elvaan with +r.acc items would be more then welcome..

i want the highest dmg possibly done, to a certain cost that is.... would the fact that i do have more str, balance out the dmg say a mithra would do with berserk.. berserk is active for 2 mins, and has a timer on 5. so they do has berserk activated 2/5 of the time.. would my dmg even out those other 3/5? or maybe even succeed theirs?

gaaah, another long post... another un-understandeble (?) post.. hope you guys get some of it ^_^

cheers

p.s. search function did not work when i tried it, if this has already been discussed, can you please post a link? thx

[Macht]

STR and AGI are both quite important to a RNG. Out of my testing though I've seen that Rng. Acc. is very important, after that STR/AGI, and lastly Rng. Att. So because of that Elvaan or Mithra are fairly equal as RNGs the Elvaan will have a very slight upper hand with their STR but it isn't enough to make them superior to Mithra.

So really it's your decision which you want, just the two races are going to have at 1 point a couple of items that focuses on the opposite of their strengths. So a Mithra eventually will have a few +STR along with all their +Rng. Acc and +AGI items, and an Elvaan will just have more +AGI to offset their difference.

In the end it's more the players skill then anything.

[greysenn]

Oh for the love of god noo..

Please allow me to redirect you to an earlier post.

http://www.ffxionline.com/forums/sho...threadid=32270

Bottom line: Whoever has better gear is going to win. If you want it more precise, you'll need to parse a high level elvaan and a mithra side by side, (with identical gear, since I'm presuming thats what you're after) and see who does more damage.

[Macht]

Originally posted by greysenn
Oh for the love of god noo..

Please allow me to redirect you to an earlier post.

http://www.ffxionline.com/forums/sho...threadid=32270

Bottom line: Whoever has better gear is going to win. If you want it more precise, you'll need to parse a high level elvaan and a mithra side by side, (with identical gear, since I'm presuming thats what you're after) and see who does more damage.

It's exactly my point greysenn, the gear in the end is all that really makes the difference. Other then that the Elvaan and Mithra have an almost unmentionable difference in damage.

[greysenn]

Yeah, you posted before I got mine up. You fast typer you.

[2.0]

Elvaan with uber gear > Mithra with uber gear

[poweryoga]

I don't really think that's true but elvaan look like giraffes.

[Peppara]

Originally posted by poweryoga
I don't really think that's true but elvaan look like giraffes.

lol


I think its the gear that seperates a good rng from a bad rng. I dont think race plays a major role. I know tarutaru RNG and they perform decently you just need the right gear.

[Timoham]

In my experience most elvaan RNGs have really sucked it up and had the accuracy of a level 1 SAM against a level 30 mob. Then again most of them were also all /THF and had shitty gear, so it could just be that most elvaans playing a RNG are only doing it so they get the gangsta style bow and not playing RNG to kick ass. I did see a video of a Maat battle of an elvaan with an ebow taking out Maat with Sidewinder -> EES -> Barrage -> Sidewinder.

I do have to agree the gear is what makes the RNG. At lower levels though, before you have the ability to get the gear, mithra make much better RNGs just because they can actually hit >.>

[neverwinters]

elvaan = high dmg low acc
mithra = low dmg high acc

[Macht]

If you really look at it from lv. 1 Elvaan and Mithra RNGs have very little difference Elvaan will have 1 more STR and Mithra will have 1 more AGI. That isn't even enough to make any huge impact in anything you do. Once you reach lv. 75 Elvaan will have something like 8-10 more STR and Mithra will have 8-10 more AGI. Now compensating that shouldn't be a problem at all for either race.

Yes when you play the game Race makes very little difference damage and accuracy wise it'll translate to at the most being 5% of the overall formula. The other 95% will come from how the player sets up the character with gear and such.

The biggest advantage though that Taru get is they can sub just about any mage with melee and make it look like a very well combination if done right. They have that ability because they get a higher INT and MP, but again any race can compensate it if they wanted.

So there really isn't that huge a reason to debate it. Like I said because of how damage output works Elvaan has an advantage but it's very slight in light of the fact that their accuracy ends up balancing their damage out to what a Mithra does. Same goes with a Mithra's damage balancing out with their accuracy, and other races balancing themselves in the job at different focuses.

[Timoham]

At 59 with no subjob elvaan have 50 str and 50 agi. Mithra have 40 str and 64 agi. That's pretty damn significant either way if you ask me.

http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~nhart/Status_calculator.htm

And Level 1 also isn't really the issue. It's before you get all the +racc stuff. At 20 elvaan have 20 str and 20 agi. A mithra has 16 str and 26 agi. If you ask me, that additional agi makes a huge difference without the archer knives.

[Lilya]

Elvaans have cooler ears. but they have real low accuracy and that's one of the most important thing that a ranger needs or else you would just be wasting amo which costs money.:angel:

[Macht]

Originally posted by Timoham
At 59 with no subjob elvaan have 50 str and 50 agi. Mithra have 40 str and 64 agi. That's pretty damn significant either way if you ask me.

http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~nhart/Status_calculator.htm

And Level 1 also isn't really the issue. It's before you get all the +racc stuff. At 20 elvaan have 20 str and 20 agi. A mithra has 16 str and 26 agi. If you ask me, that additional agi makes a huge difference without the archer knives.

I doubt the validity of that calculator. Not only does it have HP wrong on my characters setup but it has AGI wrong as well. It's showing my stats at lv. 54 being to high in AGI and to low in HP.

Stat calculators are taking assumed formulas and making a result out of it. The common error that will occur with these formulas is the larger the numbers get the larger a discrepency shows up. This discrepency is usually more and more of a result of an error in the equation.

EDIT:

Biggest possibility of the error is that the person creating this calculator assumed that all stats increase by a percent amount. Given the complexity of this game I doubt they would of done that because when request character stat information there is an obvious pause that very much resembles that of a data query. So the stats are being queried off an obvious database which then means any stat can be adjusted or altered how the developers see fit.

So taking that percentage display route isn't the best way. The reason is because it WILL be wrong the higher you go in level, which is what he pointed out in his notes after lv. 60.

[Timoham]

Are you sure you included your subjob? It calculates it correctly for my character for every job as long as my subjob is levelled