Leaping Boots and Hairpin : Worth it?

[ryan3]

Hey there!
I currently have 1 mil gil saved up for my rng.. I know its nothing.. but I will farm for gil.. anyway, if you have the money, are boots and the hairpin worth it? Thanks.

[2.0]

Nope.

[Timoham]

They're mostly just very nice status items. You don't NEED them, but they make you feel uber. :@ I'd suggest saving for ebow, since ebow = the rox.

[navpops]

well, you can get +1agi head and +1 agi boots early on. you lose 4 agi, saving 600k-or so (on my server)

if you're elvaan, RSE at 29 have same AGI and leap boots for only 50

hairpin? on my RNG, i sold my BLMs darkstaff. started bidding.. 100gil... 100k..200k...300k. (trying to get deals) 397... 398...399..... and then i went "you know what? this is a shitty waste of my money" and i left the AH. i dont think they are worth it.

[PetriW]

If you have excessive amounts of gil sure, if not don't bother, these are just overhyped item every little n00b drool over.
Remember, you can sell them back on the AH, don't overdo the bidding though since they go up and down in price.

[Reaperx90]

Both of those items combined = Ranged Accuracy +3. And that is their ONLY redeeming quality for RNG.

Worth 700k? I should say not.

[Narru]

Completely not worth it for the gil. They are mainly for showing off that you're rich. Save that money for something that actually functions in battle like an E-bow.

Btw if you're rich and want to show off more than with the Emp Hairpin and Leaping Boots (those are soooo 4 months ago ), go the Magnifying Specs + Strider Boots route

[PhoR]

Both of those items combined = Ranged Accuracy +3. And that is their ONLY redeeming quality for RNG.

i love it when people seem to think that no other stat does anything at all for ranger...

have you ever looked at the small squares next to your job abilities? they're not color coded for nothing..

Just because brady games strategy guide doesn't mention anything about it, doesn't mean that other stats don't do anything.

anyways.. on to the question at hand.
If you are going to play rng/nin, get the hairpin. once you hit 24 and get blink, +10 eva really helps.. I pulled aggro so much early on because tanks don't really get many hate holding abilities.. +6 agi helps with ranged acc, parry, and evasion. You will stay alive much longer if you have boots and hairpin.

it seems to me that all of the people that claim those items aren't worth it are just saying that because they don't have the items.
I have them, and trust me, they make a difference early on. Later on in the late 30's and 40's they won't really help you very much.. but early on, there is a night and day difference between wearing them, and not wearing them.

Completely not worth it for the gil. They are mainly for showing off that you're rich. Save that money for something that actually functions in battle like an E-bow.

so having +10 eva, and increased evasion at the same time as increasing ranged accuracy early on when pulling aggro is commonplace isn't worth 600k, but a few extra damage per shot is worth 4 mil?
I don't understand your logic.. by the time he's ready to buy ebow he can sell boots and hairpin anyways.. so why not buy them now?

[poweryoga]

oh i'm sure they make a difference alright.

The topic asked: Are they worth it?

Can you really redeem 800k's worth of items for an extra 10 evasion and 3 acc when you can just as easily slow down your pace a bit?

The party doesn't cater to you, you cater to the needs and abilities of everyone else. If you're constantly pulling hate, go slower. You can just as easily stop shooting arrows for 3-4 swings and just collect TP. An overzealous ranger that says "I shoot as fast as I can and if the tank can't hold hate its his problem" is just as bad as the ranger that never shoots. Both contribute to just as much downtime, while you can just moderate your pace and hit a nice equilibrium that everyone can enjoy without kiliing yourself.

Every MP the mage spends healing your "uber" butt is more time they'll need to spend sitting. Since rangers have the defense of little girls, you can guess how much the hits hurt.

[Narru]

Originally posted by PhoR
You will stay alive much longer if you have boots and hairpin.

but early on, there is a night and day difference between wearing them, and not wearing them

I wouldn't go that far in saying that you stay alive "much longer" or that it's a "night and day difference" between wearing them and not wearing them... Rangers get an E rating in evade, so I would say the bigger factor in Rng/Nin staying alive is primarily Utsusemi and not the +10 evasion. If I had to guess, I'd say +10 evasion increases your chance of surviving by only 5-10%. By your statement, I think you're trying to conclude that the +10 evasion helps you live by 40-50%, which is giving too much credit to the hairpin and boots.

Originally posted by PhoR

it seems to me that all of the people that claim those items aren't worth it are just saying that because they don't have the items.

I have both - heck I'm planning on getting even more expensive items for my ranger - swap Emp Hairpin for Magnifying Glasses (500k ish), and swap LB for Strider's Boots ( 4.5 mil ish ). And I'm saying they aren't NEEDED for a ranger.

Originally posted by PhoR
but a few extra damage per shot is worth 4 mil?
I don't understand your logic.. by the time he's ready to buy ebow he can sell boots and hairpin anyways.. so why not buy them now? [/B]

It basically comes down to this - there's nothing else to buy for a RNG, so just get Emp Hairpin and LB's. Sell when you're trying to raise funds for Ebow. Of course, money should be spent on the "real items" first if you don't already have them (although most of items I consider VITAL to a ranger is cheap anyway) - the best ranged weapon available/best ranged ammo, Archer's Knives, the best bone/beetle/horn/carapace/etc ring available, ranger's necklace. Everything else is just marginal.

[Jifan]

Magnifying Glasses?

[Macht]

I do agree that the Emp. Hairpin and Boots may not seem like neccessity but you ever look at what other items that can fill those spots decently and arn't 4 mil +? or some other incredibly high amount. Untill you actually get those items they definatly benefit by adding more to the stats you need.

Again comparing items by themselves is a terrible way to balance yourself. If the Boots and Hairpin is all your are relying on for Rng. Acc., Evasion, Parry, etc... then no they arn't worth it because you have other items that should be much more pressing.

However if they are being added to an already built collection focused around those specifics then those two are the best you'll get that arn't going to be very costly. It isn't going to make you some superversion of your previous self, no items are going to do that. It will take just that bit more of the edge off the growing pains your job will go through.

So if you see that as a reason enough to buy them then they are worth it. Not every person is going to have the same situation and so following an "ideal" design won't benefit you. Take a closer look at your own equipment you have now and a serious thought in what needs improvement if you have pushed everything as best as you can in other areas and still just need that bit more of the edge removed then buy it, if not then don't.

Originally posted by Jifan
Magnifying Glasses?

Yeah, headgear that focused more around Acc. and Rng. Acc. if i remember right (Might be getting them confused though).

[Reaperx90]

As for the other things that AGI adds to other than Ranged Accuracy such as parry and evasion, there is no "night and day" difference. You will not notice any difference in parrying, and you will not notice any difference in your evasion. Mainly because you will not take enough hits to make a valid judgement. Secondly, the mobs you fight have such superior stats to compete with that any efforts you take to improve such small odds are fairly futile, unless you do it en-mass like some NINs do.

It is certainly not prudent to change your playing style to "all out berserker" even if you do notice a night and day difference with the equipment. If you pull hate with the expectation of dodging/parrying the attack, you're more often than not going to be disappointed. So all that the equipment is giving you is the knowledge that you MIGHT dodge this next attack - that's all well and good, but if you play based on that hope, you're going to get burned - a lot.

E-Bow - I haven't given it a very close look, but I didn't see any bows at or around it's level that even approached it's damage. Can someone possibly tell me what the "second choice" to E-Bow is, and perhaps it's damage/stat boosts/etc if you happen to know them off the top of your head? Reaper has become curious^^

Just a side note: I don't use any guides of any kind other than these forums. Just because I didn't mention the other "tertiary" effects of AGI doesn't mean I am not aware of their existence. It means that I consider them so unimportant that they don't warrant mentioning. But that's just my opinion, mind you. I don't like playing games of chance with such small odds as evade and parry. That is why I didn't mention AGI's effects upon those stats.

[poweryoga]

Looking at most of the equipment... no, you are right. Most head and feet pieces for ranger does indeed suck ass.

However, you can get along just as well with Centurion's boots (or republic boots) in the same slot, seeing how Dex is all but useless for Rng. Emp hairpin also adds useless stats like dex and evasion (you WILL get hit, it WILL NOT save you if you're being pound on) and as such you might as well go with something with a bit more defense like cuir bandana.

These things are not worth it for their cost for a ranger. Having those 2 items doesn't make you "better" than the next ranger, it makes you a much poorer one with 6 extra agi. If you have 600-700k to throw around, why not just buy your equipment up to lvl 50 and then go with AFs from there?

those 2 items are expensive because they're good for thieves, not Rng.

[Jifan]

Originally posted by Macht

Yeah, headgear that focused more around Acc. and Rng. Acc. if i remember right (Might be getting them confused though).

Checked MysteryTour and havent found them at all... I might have skipped over them though. How do you obtain them and what are the stats?