Bow Damage vs Gun Damage for low STR races

[Kerberos]

I was wondering, since damage from guns is not affected by STR (or so its been said, how does gun damage compare to an elvaan's bow damage?

Mostly wondering if its a way to achieve damage pairty between Mithra RNG and Elvaan RNG. Or if the whole thing isn't really an issue and I'll just happily keep using a bow as a Mithra RNG. :3

[Kensai]

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also wondering about this

[Vipex]

Hmmm ...... Isnt it DEX that tell the dmg of guns. So mithra would be very good to use becasuse of the huge DEX

[FeralisCallidus]

Erm, I doubt it.

[Kerberos]

Dex is melee accuracy, critical hit rate, and sneak attack damage modifier (however that equation works).

The basic point of me asking is that it seems that there is so much equipment that adds straight +ranged accuracy. It seems that the advantage in Agility (the stat that affects ranged accuracy) that Mithra have is dwarfed by the additional damage a Elvaan can deal with a bow (since bow damage is affected by strength). At least that's impression you would get reading various comparisons of Mithra and Elvaan anyway.

Not that this will really affect my decision to be a ranger. I'm just curious if someone could provide a real damage comparison.

[Ripersnifle]

It's still beyond me why people think Elvaan make great rangers. I mean, C'MON! The big attribute is AGI and Elvaan have the worst in the game. It's not that I don't like seeing combinations like this (I grin at every Taru monk I see), but nobody even pretends that the Taru monk is a powerful choice. Elvaan, on the other hand can do no wrong, so it seems.

*End of rant*

But anyhow, I don't think that a straight damage comparison between an Elvaan and a Mithra is valid. They might be able to do more with a hit, but they will ultimately miss more due to a lower AGI. Seeing as how RNG has a worse STR progression than BRD (!), it seems that it would be best to skip trying to be strong and go for being really accurate with a weapon that deals a ton of damage regardless of strength.

[Kerberos]

Well, after finally managing to get my marksmanship up to speed gun damage at the moment is roughly equivalent to my bow damage.

Serpentine Gun/Bullets = 117 dmg vs decent Yuhtunga Mandra~

Great Bow+1/Horn Arrows=115 dmg vs decent Yuhtunga Mandra

Those are rough averages. I'm a lv 34 rng/war, Archery 105/Marksmanship 102 and I was using mithkabobs. No noticable difference in accuracy. In fact the most noticable thing from using a gun is that it seems to take twice as long to attack with it.

[Lerman]

Just comparing the raw damage numbers of the ammo/weapons you used, the bow (D:44 Delay:524)/arrows(D:17 Delay:90) would be 73, and the gun(Dm:25 Delay:600) with bullets(D:46 Delay:240) would be 71. This is probably why the damage was about equal.

Once you hit level 50 and can use silver bullets(D:81 Delay:240) and a musketeer gun (D:34 Delay:582). If you were using a bow you'd probably be using Scorpion Arrow (D:24 Delay:90) with a War Bow+1 (D:66 Delay:524). This changes the number to a total of 115 for a gun, and only 90 for the bow.

Of course, I can't really factor in things such as the +18 ranged attack on the bow, but I do believe that it doesn't quite make up for the damage difference. Another thing to note is taht for barrage, the delay doesn't really matter, seeing as how it's 5 shots at once. Also, sidewinder is 4x damage, so the more you can do in one shot makes the WS that much better, so that's where a gun makes up for the large delay. Someone with a bow may be able to spam arrows faster than you, but they aren't going to be doing near the same damage with a WS/barrage as you.

[Cometgreen]

Riper, the main concern for rangers is ranged accuracy. 2 agi=1 ranged accuracy. The highest difference between Elvaan and Mithra agi is what, 6 points? When there's all this equipment and food that help with ranged accuracy and agi, there's not much difference. And strength can make quite a bit of difference, and since there's not much equipment focusing on strength (unless you take out some almost necessary ranged accuracy equipment), it's nice to have good ole Elvaan strength.

Cometgreen

[Kerberos]

Actually, I find that to be one of my few issues with how the game is balanced. Accuracy gear is so prolific that the elvaan can easily make up the difference. Not only is str gear not as prolific, accuracy is so important that a mithra can't really forego accuracy gear for what little str gear that exists. Ultimately it makes elvaan apparently the de facto superior choice for any non-mage damage dealing job except thief.

Basically the supposed advantages of the mithra only really apply to thf (because dex and agi very heavily affect sneak attack/trick attack damage). Oh well.

[Spider-Dan]

Mithra RSE boots are STR+3 I believe... only other thing you'll have on that slot is AGI+3 (LL).

Even trade.

edit: AF boots at LV60 are AGI+4... RSE would be a tiny drop instead of straight AGI to STR swap.

[FeralisCallidus]

People always tell me that as an Elvaan Ranger I will always miss.

Then they edit their comments, saying that I will miss 30~.

Then 50~

...Well, folks, it ain't happening. The only things I have trouble hitting is Rhino Guarded Beetles, little bastards. But that isn't saying much, since no one can hit the sonofabitch =\

[b4kan3k0]

;D get a BRD with Range accuracy song. Even w/ rhino guard i only miss 30-50% of the time. Add it with sharpshot and i miss like once. oO

[FeralisCallidus]

Missing 30-50% of the time is a LOT...

... =\

[obsidian]

At level 70, a mithra ranger has 74 agi/46 str and a elvaan ranger has 58 agi/58 str. So assuming same equipment at level 70, a mithra has +8 ranged acc./evasion and -6 ranged att./melee att. compared to an elvaan. I'd take the former. However, in the end, it's not hard to make up the difference for either race with equipment.