Is it really that expensive

[FeralisCallidus]

LOL the NM that drops the Eurytos Bow is a LV 70 NM and needs a PT around that LVL to kill and it is a rare drop . It is a LVL 55 bow ; what are you going to do camp it . Get real better yet get a life . I can gil farm 20k in 2-3 hours but I still dont see the use for tripling my cost for something I can do for cheaper . Jujube1030 higher lvl than me even says " Unless you want to spend more time farming gil then playing, you will not need to use elemenetal/demon arrows full time. Iron arrows are fine to use, +5 r. acc isnt noticeable especially with hunter's prelude."
Last 4 hrs I was hunting Lichs for papyrus . Yes arrows arent the best against undead . Just for kicks I brought 2 stacks of fire arrows and 1 stack of iron . 8-10 dmg difference between the 2 . 99 iron = 800 gil 99 fire arrows = 4k . You being ranger god to FFXI = priceless . Let me guess your going to start knocking Jujube or am I going to get more remarks from you ?
Why dont you give me your current gear so I can see what I should be . Or let me guess you dont have the "best" gear ?

The NM (Fafnir I believe) can be taken down by a PT of 55+s. And the reason the difference in damage is so insignificant on bones is because, you said it yourelf, BONES ARE STRONG TO ARROWS.

20% or 30 damage arrow? Ooo only 6 damage.

20 percent of a 170dmg arrow? 34 damage.

And even then, with sidewinder doing 500-1000 dmg 20% is quite a nice chunk (200dmg = 20% of 1000). And juj's macro for ammo change is very nice, I plan to use it with Elemental arrows as soon as I am able to use them (Not as efficient as Scorpion, and I do enough damage per shot as is~ fighting IT flies 170-185 per arrow. mmm)

[Ghost1183]

http://www.killingifrit.com/page.php?id=64
go read the link Eastern Shadow LV 65 .

[xarddrax]

Originally posted by FeralisCallidus


What does the time have to do with ANYTHING? At higher levels, bad equipment is made even more obvious.

You're the one that said 40-50 was not a big deal....why arent you 50 yet? Wasnt this post started a few days ago or are you too busy farming gil for overrated arrows that you cant lvl?

[FeralisCallidus]

You're the one that said 40-50 was not a big deal....why arent you 50 yet? Wasnt this post started a few days ago or are you too busy farming gil for overrated arrows that you cant lvl?

I'm actually lv 43, I just didn't update the profile.

And the reason it didn't raise within the previous three days is because I was leveling my SUBJOB which was originally 15. Now it is 25.

Another thing: If everyone in a PT goes the extra mile to have the best equip they can... i.e. up to date arrows, best armor, acc+ and atk + equip...the group will be a lot more efficient.

For instance. Let us say that a Pld usually gets hit for 66 dmg. And wants to skip a set of armor because it will 'only decrease the damage by like 13, that's not a lot' (Or 5, or 8 if you attack twice per turn or have a low delay rate)

Or lets say all the attackers say they dont want the best acc+ and atk+ equip they can get (same goes for weapons). 'The extra 13 dmg per hit isn't a lot, god'

Well, it gets to be a lot when the Mob is dropped 20% faster because of that added damage, and when the warrior takes 20% less damage each hit because of his armor. That means that the PLD will take approximatly 64% of the damage he would normally. That is significant, no?

[Ghost1183]

You wouldnt say Fera ? Well seeing how your the expert why dont you give us your current equipment list ?

[xarddrax]

Originally posted by FeralisCallidus


Another thing: If everyone in a PT goes the extra mile to have the best equip they can... i.e. up to date arrows, best armor, acc+ and atk + equip...the group will be a lot more efficient.

For instance. Let us say that a Pld usually gets hit for 66 dmg. And wants to skip a set of armor because it will 'only decrease the damage by like 13, that's not a lot' (Or 5, or 8 if you attack twice per turn or have a low delay rate)

Or lets say all the attackers say they dont want the best acc+ and atk+ equip they can get (same goes for weapons). 'The extra 13 dmg per hit isn't a lot, god'

Well, it gets to be a lot when the Mob is dropped 20% faster because of that added damage, and when the warrior takes 20% less damage each hit because of his armor. That means that the PLD will take approximatly 64% of the damage he would normally. That is significant, no?

So basically every BRD should have Monster Signa or they arent living up to thier fullest job potential and are just slackers.
And every THF should have JaggedyEared Jacks Lucky Charm and Emporer Hairpins or they are just lazy slackers for not saving the gil up to get it.
Get over your idea of whats the ideal way to play. Your damage numbers are all hypothetical.
I wish you were on my server cuz ill show you how a PT can lvl fast using a BRD with armor thats 10-15 level lower than he is and not currently using a Monster Signa. But hey...you dont have to believe me since obviously im just lazy since im not using armor/weapons thats my lvl.

[Biterman]

Originally posted by Ghost1183 I totally agree that mages should have needed spells (raise cure 3 , refresh .etc)I am not going to say well this person doesnt have dispel so dont let [/B]

Heh, thats quite funny. So you are 100% sure on whats 'needed' and whats not?
/sarcasm I mean, if thats the case, maybe Cure 3 is not needed at all. I can just spam Cure2, and if you take one big hit between cure2 and die, well tough luck. Its not like a few more hp recovered points will make a difference.

Dont assume whats needed and whats not dude. I am not going to change your mind, thats for sure. If you dont want to be the absolute best you can be, well its your choice.

Hopefully I will not come off as a jerk, but when I make a PT I only pick peeps that have up to date equip, subjob etc etc. I make the time to get the best, I expect my PT members to be the same.
I certainly dont laugh or point fingers at ppl that dont have the best, its understandable not everyone can invest heavy time into this game, but I wont invite them into my PT. You can always just PT with characters that have ok equip, and go out and have some fun, right? ^^

[Areriye]

I've got to say... I think I've made more gil as ranger than I have spent on ammunition. Tracking skills send me in the right direction when it is time to farm, and I love playing "crawler tag" with the Japs for silk. (Whoever hits the crawler first is 'it'. ^^_)

There really is no excuse for not using iron arrows as soon as your level is high enough, though I can understand the hesitation to move to the next level because the gil per arrow jumps A LOT at that point.

[FeralisCallidus]

So basically every BRD should have Monster Signa or they arent living up to thier fullest job potential and are just slackers.
And every THF should have JaggedyEared Jacks Lucky Charm and Emporer Hairpins or they are just lazy slackers for not saving the gil up to get it.
Get over your idea of whats the ideal way to play. Your damage numbers are all hypothetical.
I wish you were on my server cuz ill show you how a PT can lvl fast using a BRD with armor thats 10-15 level lower than he is and not currently using a Monster Signa. But hey...you dont have to believe me since obviously im just lazy since im not using armor/weapons thats my lvl.

Those items are generally used for bragging rights. +1 dex is not much, but it DOES add up.

You wouldnt say Fera ? Well seeing how your the expert why dont you give us your current equipment list ?

I'll see if I can remember it.

Royal Footmen's Bandanna (working on Emperor's hairpin, but then again, the difference is a mere 1 ranged accuracy point)
Ranger Necklace
The lv50 HQ Longbow
Scorpion Arrows
Iron Scail Mail
Combat Caster's Mits (They don't have +1 agi gloves ANYWHERE!!)
Drone Earrings
Horn Ring+1s
Bastokan Cuisses (can't find +1 version)
Bastokan Greaves (Can't find +1 version)
Mercenary Captain's Belt
Nomad's Mantle
Archer Knife


I think that's about it.

[Ghost1183]

Well fera seeing how your not 50 I ll assume you have the Battle Bow +1. Why dont you have strider boots ??? they are much better than the bastokan greaves . Why dont you have the hairpin ? Totally baffles me , you can sit here all day debate that a ranger should have the best and you dont have the best ; irony . For gloves you should really try your RSE. And why no Hawker's Dagger ? that is way better then the archers dagger. Basically you sort of like a hypocrit can say what one must have ;but you yourself dont even have those items . It figures pls be gone now .

Bitterman you must not have read my equipment list go back a page and read . The is nothing inadequate about my gear . THis whole debate spawned when I said it is ok to use iron arrows . I truly think all rangers should have their current +1 bow . I bought my war bow +1 two weeks before I could even use it . But I am not going to sit here and say " Yes , you have to spend 180k on two +1 carapace rings (or however much the sell for ) so you can get 2 more range accuracy . Most mages I have found want spells . Besides I have never seen any healer who hasnt had raise , cure 3 , protectra 3 ;unless they were to low a level for those spells . But there are some spells as well that are really expensive cure 4 , dispel , erase ; stuff along those lines that will take you awhile to get . Those are the spells I was saying wasn't a must have to party . Yes they cut down on how long the fight lasts . And yes I have partied enough to know what is needed . At my LVL most used spells are : cure 3 , raise , refresh , regen 2 ,and protectra 3 . I wouldnt know for blms hardly use em . ( NOT SAYING THEY AREN'T USEFUL)

[xarddrax]

Originally posted by FeralisCallidus


Those items are generally used for bragging rights. +1 dex is not much, but it DOES add up.

You think that Monster Signa is used for bragging rights? +8 Chr is purly for bragging? IF you think that a mere 8 points is bragging then how much would it take to be "Going that extra mile to have thier equipment up to date". I bet youd be singing a different tune if you were in a BCNM40 with a BRD with +0CHR versus +8CHR and his sleep fails everytime.

But on the flip side when hunting, trying to level are you going to turn away the only BRD around cuz he doesnt have monster signa and pick up another PT member, knowing damn well that BRDs decrease downtime better than any other class (or dont you know that?)
The point we are trying to make is that people choose how the spend thier money and calling someone less than good at thier job becuase they dont have the money to spend on higher arrows is assinine. No matter how good you think your equipment is, someone else has something better. So get off your high horse.
The only "Bad" Ranger is one WITHOUT arrows.

[FeralisCallidus]

Well fera seeing how your not 50 I ll assume you have the Battle Bow +1. Why dont you have strider boots ??? they are much better than the bastokan greaves . Why dont you have the hairpin ? Totally baffles me , you can sit here all day debate that a ranger should have the best and you dont have the best ; irony . For gloves you should really try your RSE. And why no Hawker's Dagger ? that is way better then the archers dagger. Basically you sort of like a hypocrit can say what one must have ;but you yourself dont even have those items . It figures pls be gone now .

Bitterman you must not have read my equipment list go back a page and read . The is nothing inadequate about my gear . THis whole debate spawned when I said it is ok to use iron arrows . I truly think all rangers should have their current +1 bow . I bought my war bow +1 two weeks before I could even use it . But I am not going to sit here and say " Yes , you have to spend 180k on two +1 carapace rings (or however much the sell for ) so you can get 2 more range accuracy . Most mages I have found want spells . Besides I have never seen any healer who hasnt had raise , cure 3 , protectra 3 ;unless they were to low a level for those spells . But there are some spells as well that are really expensive cure 4 , dispel , erase ; stuff along those lines that will take you awhile to get . Those are the spells I was saying wasn't a must have to party . Yes they cut down on how long the fight lasts . And yes I have partied enough to know what is needed . At my LVL most used spells are : cure 3 , raise , refresh , regen 2 ,and protectra 3 . I wouldnt know for blms hardly use em . ( NOT SAYING THEY AREN'T USEFUL)

Someone is being extremely childish. =)
Saying I am a hypocrit because I said you should have BETTER EQUIPMENT while I don't have the best possible in the game is completely ridiculous. Strider boots are not necessarily better than Bastokan Greaves. Look it up. And like I said, I am working on the hairpin. Claiming I am hypocritical because I don't burn 4million gil on something that MAY give me +1 rng accuracy is completely ridiculous. (Oh, and you forgot to bitch and moan about Peacock Charm).



Xardrax ~
Tell me, how expensive is Monster Signa? Alright. Now, tell me, how expensive is a stack of Scorpion arrows? ... Thank you.

The fact is that the EXTRA MILE I speak of is not the EXTRA MARATHON. I never said have the best ubermencht items possible in all of Vana Diel. You should at LEAST have equipment that any respectable ranger would have~ i.e. arrows that aren't 40 levels old. Comparing getting Monster Signa and using UP TO DATE ARROWS is a completely out of whack analogy, Xarddrax, and if you don't notice that, I pity you.

[Ghost1183]

Originally posted by FeralisCallidus
If you are beyond lvl 30, you should not be using Bone arrows as a normal munition. That's just ridiculous.

For instance, I use Horn Arrows. They give 19 DMG and +5 Ranged Accuracy. I pay 1400 PER STACK. Not 300, not 500. If I can afford to use DECENT EQUIPMENT, you can.

Also, if I happen to see any RNGs my level using Wooden/Bone/Iron arrows, I will laugh at them until they run into their little cheapass caves.

Shall I go find some more ?

[Ghost1183]

Originally posted by FeralisCallidus
Also, you should have Drone Earrings, as well as Carapace +1 rings.

No reason not to.

And you should definitly use Scorpion arrows at lv50. You are just being a lazy ass who defends yourself by saying 'Its only a game'

I'm getting SICK of that excuse.

More?

[Bantam101]

Ranger is not too bad if you know how to handle your finances... I make sure when I'm leveling to have a full AH, because I'm constantly spending money as I go. This helps to keep your cash more level - I'd also recommend having no less than 10,000 gil at any given time while leveling. Don't cheat yourself on arrows either. The least I'll use are beetle arrows, while I mainly use horns, and occasionally get a couple stacks of scorpions, unfortunetly, they don't quiver, so make sure to have inv. space. Nothing worse than a level 45+ ranger running around with iron arrows...