Ranger with Dark Knight subbed?

[Rykielz]

Hi,
would this be a good combo Ranger/DK?, or would RNG/NIN be better off. BTW I am a Mithra.
the DK sub would give me 2 physical attack boosts by lev 30, and the last resort would give me extra damage for 30 secs.
the NIN sub would let me Dual Weild those precious Archer Knives.
so is the extra Accuracy better than the damage increases?
please advise
thanks in advance!

[FeralisCallidus]

Instead of subbing Drk, I would recommend War or Sam. Warrior gives you Berserk, which is vastly superior to Last Resort...
And as for Rng/Nin, I would have to suggest that you have enough accuracy as a Mithra But, go for it. I just wouldn't recommend Drk. As for me, I'm rng/war and loving every minute of it.

[cnick]

Originally posted by FeralisCallidus
Instead of subbing Drk, I would recommend War or Sam. Warrior gives you Berserk, which is vastly superior to Last Resort...
And as for Rng/Nin, I would have to suggest that you have enough accuracy as a Mithra But, go for it. I just wouldn't recommend Drk. As for me, I'm rng/war and loving every minute of it.

I disagree with ninja being a bad sub for mithra. At lvl 70, a Mithra only has +6 agility on a hume. And +16 on a Elvaan. That's only a +3 and +8 ranged acc difference respectively. At earlier levels, that difference is much lower; Mithras aren't going to be some expert Rangers based on their stats (although on paper, they are the best). At least, up to level 30, every ranged acc item available needs to be used, or you'll miss like hell. Even as a Mithra; ninja sub means two Archer's Knives, which should help solve any accuracy problems very quickly ^^.

[Kei]

I'm pretty sure he said that IF you're accuracy is as good as a Mithra, then you should go for the Ninja sub. That's just what I interpreted it as though.

[tongyang]

Even if you're a mithra, it doesn't mean you'll never miss. The #1 factor in accuracy is still level differences. If you're 7-8 levels lower than your enemy, chances is that you'll still need as much range accuracy+ equipments as you can add.

So Ninja sub is not really limited to any race at all. Besides, blink ninjitsu is always good to have.

[Ripersnifle]

I'd go for the ninja too. More damage is nice, but a miss does zero. I wouldn't mind it so much for other jobs, but when you're paying for your attack, you want to see them connect!

[FeralisCallidus]

Now now, don't jump to conclusions...

I didn't say that you will never miss as a mithra, just that you will (in general) hit more than me, an elvaan ranger (assuming we have the same equipment).

Now, Against most IT mobs I hit 80-90% of the time. Berserk pumps my damage up by about 25%. Unless, with dual archer knives, you will hit 25% more often (which really can't be done with 80-90% accuracy in the first place), dual wield is a waste.

Maybe i'm just lucky

[tongyang]

Originally posted by FeralisCallidus
Now, Against most IT mobs I hit 80-90% of the time. Berserk pumps my damage up by about 25%. Unless, with dual archer knives, you will hit 25% more often (which really can't be done with 80-90% accuracy in the first place), dual wield is a waste.

Maybe i'm just lucky

Let's see if you feel the same way when you get to lv65 and higher

(Ever wonder why Square bothered to "up" the accuracy rate at high levels in the last patch? )

[Trimpton]

Just thought I should add this...

Dont bother subbing SAM until your Ranger is 60 because they are a complete waste until then. Id sugggest doing war or nin till 60 then switching over to SAM.

[mpa]

Personally, I can't imagine using Berserk while being a Ranger. I'm a RNG/NIN, and I get enough hate as it is from my regular attacks. Some times, if the party only has 1 tank or if they're not good at rotating the hate, I slow down my arrow shooting so that the warrior doesn't lose hate every 2nd time I shoot. So, I don't view the extra attack power that WAR provides as neccessarily a plus, if you end up taking hits as a result.

My advice would be to go with a ninja, make sure that your accuracy is as good as it can possibly be, and your attack power will still be superior to most if not all characters.

[qweezy]

90% of the lvl 60+ Rangers on my server are all subbed Warrior, 100% for the lvl 75 Rangers(5 of them). My Ranger have yet to reach that lvl, but I wonder why War is such a popular sub for high end Rangers.

I talked to one of my Japanese friend(he isn't a Ranger but he's lvl 72 and groups with Rangers ofhen), he said Berserk + Warcry + Passive Attack Up will outdamage any other Ranger combinations out there. He also said accuracy isn't much of an issue when fighting monsters for EXP, especially when there is a Bard around.

[mpa]

possibly one reason for the major usage of Warrior as a subjob is because it simply is much easier to have at a high level than ninja. Most rangers lvl up Warrior to 30 to unlock the class anyway, and given the added expense of ninja, warrior is definitely the most inviting subjob simply out of convenience.

[qweezy]

These guys are lvl 75, rank 10, I don't think lvling a subjob is even an issue to them.

[Kenki]

This is an old thread but I'm pretty concern about the double physical attack up for rng/drk.

I don't know how much atk those will add up but I think at lv 60 rng/drk gets +20 atk? or +30?

Last resort doesn't last long enough. 30sec < 2min30sec (berserk) but I think it has some use in it since I heard some drk said Last resort increases atk more than berserk!

Have anyone tried this one out? RNG/DRK anyone?

[Macht]

At level 60 RNG/30 DRK you get +20 Attack. I never payed attention though to see if Last Resort does give you a higher attack then Beserk, but to the point of Beserk+War Cry+Physical Attack up. That can be beat by using meat mithkabob+War Cry+2 Physical Attack Up+Last Resort (for a superior amount of damage for 30 sec. then be at par or slightly less to the /WAR afterwards, remember War Cry is a party wide effect as I understand it so just having a WAR or /WAR around gives you that bonus too).

Though they don't work to well as subs you also get the ability at lv. 72+ to do a couple drains HP/MP/AGI/DEX if I remember right (Should be able to drain more once level cap goes higher). If Darkness was an ability that actually would work with RNG/DRK and the ranged attacks then they would be far stronger but then it's definatly more of a suicide trip if that was possible with RNG and the ranged attacks then DRK doing their physical attacks.

As long as you spent the big bucks to get your range acc pushed a good amount with other items then the 2 archer's knifes and like I always stress balance balance balance then you should be fine with RNG/DRK. Finding +MP items a RNG can use seems to be a lot easier then other melee jobs. If you notice the Abjuration sets the only one RNG can use is Crimson Set which most of it when I looked seemed to be +range acc, +range att, +dark element, and +mp.