OK...ranger is awesome!

[SmartieKjm]

trying to figure out exactly what job i want to be...did the ranger quest because it was easy....but what i really want to be is ninja....but in the meantime ranger is one awesome job...i am curious why people don't mention the capabilities of a ranger to track prey and how awesome it is...yes i know it probably doesn't have a huge impact on parties...but how awesome is that..especially if you like to hunt crawlers...i have tripled my income just based on the face that i can track crawlers all over and know exactly where they are.

i think also it is the only job that you can do two weapon skills at one time...meaning i can do a flaming arrow weapon skill with my bow....or choose to do a fast blade weapon skill with my sword...not too shabby.

then you got awesome stuff like "scavenger" "camoflauge"

i give this job A++++++++.

i think i am going to be NIN/RNG , RNG/NIN..level them both up and flip them around from time to time.

[Macht]

You know one thing you can do also...I haven't heard it mentioned much but do something like a SAM/RNG or if it works RNG/SAM that way you get the Samurai's one-man renkei/skillchain to add with the attacks.

[Extreme]

Because rangers are ****ed in this game, S-ex really did a number on them. Rangers are supposed to be quick strikers, a little weaker then a normal warrior. In ffxi they are slow as jack, just more powerful.:dead:

Cool abilities yes.. but they arent what rangers are supposed to be. This is one of the many places where S-ex ****ed up..

[Nomaar]

I hope you're rich, because you've picked the two most expensive jobs in FFIX. :spin:

[Macht]

Originally posted by Extreme
Because rangers are ****ed in this game, S-ex really did a number on them. Rangers are supposed to be quick strikers, a little weaker then a normal warrior. In ffxi they are slow as jack, just more powerful.:dead:

Cool abilities yes.. but they arent what rangers are supposed to be. This is one of the many places where S-ex ****ed up..

The idea of "Ranger" is on of those that can be interpretted in more then one set structure. The word itself going to it's basic is a person specialized in traveling long ranges fast with abilities to track a peron. You get something like then from LOTR with Aragon.

Ranger though also refers to a person skilled in using ranged weapons and also is capable of tracking. In neither one are they really defined as fast attackers, just that the key thing to them is that they are skilled at tracking.

The idea of them being fast attackers and what not came later, and is quite to define the Ranger by something that Thief is already defined as.

Square doesn't screw around with there characters and some silly conjured up character that doesn't fit it definition right. They are far smarter then that. They did not mess up the Ranger at all, in fact as an addition to include this conjured up image they gave the rangers the Continuous Shot ability. So with that ability they are able of striking the enemy with many attacks fast.

[SmartieKjm]

I hope you're rich, because you've picked the two most expensive jobs in FFIX

LOL!!!!!!

yeah i always seem to put myself against the odds...dunno makes it more exciting kinda.

Because rangers are ****ed in this game, S-ex really did a number on them. Rangers are supposed to be quick strikers, a little weaker then a normal warrior. In ffxi they are slow as jack, just more powerful

geeeez...such hostility lol...the ranger may not be the exact replica of what it should be...but it is a pretty cool job...a variety of weaponry....a variety of abilities..

[SmartieKjm]

You know one thing you can do also...I haven't heard it mentioned much but do something like a SAM/RNG or if it works RNG/SAM that way you get the Samurai's one-man renkei/skillchain to add with the attacks.

that sounds awesome....problem though is my other character is going to be a pure samurai...created him from ground up with samurai in mind...so i wouldn't want to play samurai with both characters...need some variety.

but that does sound sweet...one man sidewinder renkei's...muaahahahahahahaa.

[Extreme]

Originally posted by Macht
Square doesn't screw around with there characters and some silly conjured up character that doesn't fit it definition right. They are far smarter then that. They did not mess up the Ranger at all, in fact as an addition to include this conjured up image they gave the rangers the Continuous Shot ability. So with that ability they are able of striking the enemy with many attacks fast.

That gets rid of the delay between arrow attacks.. it still takes a year and a day to fire an arrow. You put the arrow on the bow, pull it back.. then you have to count to 5 before you can shoot? Sorry, but thats what I call ****ed.

But I suppose it isnt so bad.. everything about this game is slow. Slow battles, slow pace, slow progession... I guess it fits right in.

[FeralisCallidus]

Extreme, were you beaten as a child?

As a side note, Bows are not designed to be fired with haphazzard aiming. It takes TIME to aim the things, especially when you have about 5 PT members whirling around the enemy. Go try it out. I'd like to see you fire an accurate shot in under 5 seconds. Do some damn research on REAL LIFE ARCHERY before you bust in here saying its all wrong. There ARE things outside of your beloved LOTR. LOTR is fantasy.

[Extreme]

Im not talking about LOTR.. wtf u talking about. Im talking about ffxi here bud. Compare FFXi rangers to other rangers in MMO's.. they SUCK. You stand on the backline, and hit your little ranged attack macro every 5-10 seconds. WS Once every 2 minutes. BORING AS HELL. Your supposed to be QUICK STRIKERS, thats the entire premise of a ranger.

Who the fuck cares about how long it takes to aim in real life archery? This is a game, sitting around watching my character hold up a bow for 10 secs before he shoots, is BORING. I mean for crying out loud, ffxi doesnt even have a RANGED ATTACK ANIMATION.

LOTR is fantasy

Wtf do you call a videogame? Congratulations on the most moronic post ever. Check the sig bud, ive played ranger. Bored me out of my mind. There is a reason they are the least commonly played job you know.. s-ex dropped the ball.

If you desire nothing else but to see the big numbers flash on your screen, then by all means play ranger. You'll be playing a job in which you hit harder the everyone, and slower then everyone. Just get used to seeing your character holding a bow up.. there we're times i thought my damn game froze it took so long to fire.

[tongyang]

1. As you said, you're talking about FFXI. Why do you compare this ranger job to other MMORPG's ranger job?

2. "Rangers are supposed to be quick strikers." Who said so?

3. Why are you standing on the backline? From lv1 to lv70 I've never fought from the backline with the mages (Except when skilling up).

4. The ranger job has been modified a lot since you last played ranger. Don't you see a lot of the so called "haijins" are playing rangers now? They're getting a lot more popular now.

[Macht]

Originally posted by Extreme

Who the fuck cares about how long it takes to aim in real life archery?

I would say Square-Enix cared enough to make there game have enough real like elements in it, that they put that delay in it. Also a method of balancing it out, you'd have other classes complaining that the Rng does to much damage if they were able to strike at the same rate that the next slowest weapon-type does and for a good amount more.

Think of it more this way, the Ranger is making sure every shot counts. Not how many he has fired, and actually I haven't seem anything bad the RNGs so far in the world I'm in have a decent number, in line with brd, sam, and nin. The one that's the lowest of the group is the SMN. Of course those WAR and WHM are two largest numbers now.

[Extreme]

Originally posted by tongyang
1. As you said, you're talking about FFXI. Why do you compare this ranger job to other MMORPG's ranger job?

2. "Rangers are supposed to be quick strikers." Who said so?

3. Why are you standing on the backline? From lv1 to lv70 I've never fought from the backline with the mages (Except when skilling up).

4. The ranger job has been modified a lot since you last played ranger. Don't you see a lot of the so called "haijins" are playing rangers now? They're getting a lot more popular now.

There he is, i was waiting for you . Just answer me this, cuz your right i havent played ranger for a good 8 months.

1- Are rangers still slow as hell round to round?
2- Does it still take 5+ seconds to get off an arrow?

If the answer it yes, my opinion stands

[DJplaeskool]

Originally posted by Extreme
1- Are rangers still slow as hell round to round?

It can be hard to tell, from time to time, when you're going "slow", but you know you are going to fast immediately when the monster suddenly takes a liking to smacking you down...
After a while, you get a good feel for the pacing numerically...

2- Does it still take 5+ seconds to get off an arrow?

With rapid shot + AF, there are times when it takes the full 5 or so seconds and there are times when I fire the arrow almost immediately after I nock it, so it really depends at higher level...

[SmartieKjm]

I don't understand where he gets that rangers shoot bows off really fast...everytime i have ever seen a bow used it was a fairly long process....hold back bow....aim...get arrow steady...lock on target and release...it seems pretty accurate to a real life bow & arrow..i have shot some before and it took me about that long as it takes in game to fire one off.

i don't really see why this is a complaint....i think it's cool how he stands with the bow and aims it....also wouldn't the gun be faster? i have not used it yet...but if you want faster maybe you can try the gun.....or maybe even the higher level boomerangs...ehe...hey its an idea...

as far as it being boring....you have a point about just standing back...but you can also go ahead and try and do some melee....you could pull enemies good with your tracking abilities..and you could use boomerange or arrows to pull the enemu..like a warrior would use provoke....dunno there seems to be alot of usefulness to me in a ranger.

also about "animation" have you ever seen the elvaan shoot crossbows and bows....simply outstanding...the animation on how they shoot kicks butt.