This job is too easy.

[Callisto]

Re: This job is too easy.

Pffft I'd take a free warp every 2 hours over half the JAs out there.

[Taskmage]

Re: This job is too easy.

The more I read, the more I think my "translation" in the Reprisal thread was spot fuggin on.

Ninja is one of three recognized endgame tanks, situationally superior to the other two since it requires the least support of the three to perform at an uber level. It is a solid damage dealer from Rin to the end if Juji shuriken's life and from Jin to the end of the game. It is an invite magnet from 37 to merits. It is an extremely capable soloist due not only to its ridiculously good utsusemi spells but also thanks to native enfeebling magic and subtle blow. Yes, ffs, it's a job.

Do you really call hitting things a job? Occasionally maybe hitting them with your foot? MNKs do. Oh yes, but they have JAs. Six of them. As many JAs as spells in the elemental wheel. Enfeebles? No. Native stealth spells? Nada. Maybe some ranged attack options? MNKs get freaking pebbles. SE finally gives them an exclusive update this patch and what do they get? The ability to not hit things with their hands. And yet I don't seem to see any mnks throwing /wrists fits in the street for some reason. Y'know why? Because mnks already kick ass. You know who else already kicks ass? Ninjas.

Now here comes the part where I tell you something you want to hear. Ninjas should get an update. Should they get an update because paladins are getting too good and ninjas need something to catch up? No. Bullshit. Ninjas and paladins have their own tanking strengths and weaknesses and neither one of them is ever going to eclipse the other (again). It's great if anything that plds are getting tools to help them tank without pretending to be ninjas. So is it because ninja is a narrow and barren job that needs some variety of playstyle? God no. More bullshit. Ninjas can already tank, nuke, melee and enfeeble. Heck the only party role they can't natively fill is buffer/healer and now if you really want you can /dnc and do that too. So why? Same reason rdm should get an update. Because it hasn't in a long, long time. That is it.

[Raitox]

Re: This job is too easy.

Playing this job for 6 years I'm fucking sick and fucking tired of dual wielding and buying shihei. Yeah, whoo, I spent 2,500,000 on elemental spells. Purely for hate purposes, dmg died out eventually. When I hit 75, I didn't get anything for another 3 years and it was a job trait that... helped me save money? I'm at the point where I don't pay for tools, I just have them. Sange can blow me. San spells? Whee, whee, whee. Ni wheel is much more efficient.

[Armando]

Re: This job is too easy.

Look, it's not our problem that you're tired of being a NIN. SMN still has it infinitely worse than NIN in terms of "what the job is vs how the job should play" and you choose to stick with the job. Loathe it so much? There's like 20 jobs in the game already. Pick another one or quit the game.

[Raitox]

Re: This job is too easy.

I like NIN the best and I'm sick of the "You're overpowered" mentality from angsty drgs, pups, smns, bsts, etc. Level the fucking job first. If you want me to give examples of why we aren't I'll give you some.

[Feba]

Re: This job is too easy.

Because every other job has at least one

So? Do you want us to call the WAAAAAAHmbluence for you? This is not a valid reason.

This is like a Black Mage saying "All of the other mages get healing spells! I want one tooooooo!"

Playing this job for 6 years I'm fucking sick and fucking tired of dual wielding and buying shihei.

Then play another fucking job. News flash! This game has nearly two dozen jobs, and THERE ARE ABSOLUTELY NO RESTRICTIONS FOR SWITCHING BETWEEN THEM. If you don't like a job, PLAY ANOTHER ONE.



You know why you can't list ANY valid reason for SE to add to Ninja? There isn't one! You don't even dislike ninja! You just want something to bitch about. If you were actually concerned about Ninja being gimped, you wouldn't be talking about how it's so much better than it's only real competitor. If you were actually unhappy playing Ninja, you would've switched jobs. But the fact is that neither of those is the case; you just want SE to give you something for the attention.

It's asinine, because you know what? While SE hasn't been giving Ninja JAs, they've been giving you about a metric FUCKTON of other shit to worry about. Which would you really rather have; a job ability that makes your next shuriken toss do more damage, or hours and hours of new missions and quests to do, areas to do them in, and things to get there? SE has been giving ninjas as much love as they need. They're just not fixing what isn't broken.

[Raitox]

Re: This job is too easy.

Black Mage is perfectly good at what it does. What I'm saying is

-NIN is not as good as a DD as a Samurai, Warrior, Dark Knight
-NIN is not as good as a tank 1-75
-Many situations endgame where PLD/NIN is preferred

[Mog]

Re: This job is too easy.

Black Mage is perfectly good at what it does. What I'm saying is

-NIN is not as good as a DD as a Samurai, Warrior, Dark Knight
-NIN is not as good as a tank 1-75
-Many situations endgame where PLD/NIN is preferred

1. Since when is NIN supposed to be a high-powered DD?

2. Uhmm, Ninja can tank fine on slower mobs and with the right gear/tools. Paladin can tank better on faster mobs. Again, situational.

3. And there are many cases where NIN/DRK is better.

I really fail to see your reasoning. This whole thread is pointless.

[Raitox]

Re: This job is too easy.

1.) It isn't, but we aren't exactly a first choice.
2.) It is much more difficult to hold hate as NIN.
3.) Yes, but we aren't preferred

Jack of all trades, master of nothing.

[Armando]

Re: This job is too easy.

Your griping is about as stupid and pointless as any DD job complaining that they're not the best DD job.

[Sevv]

Re: This job is too easy.

I quote myself because I can. What I'm saying is, it's far harder to be an efficient Ninja tank than it is to be an efficient Paladin tank, and that is a fact.

It's not hard being a ninja tank are you serious? Tanking in endgame as a nin/drk is simple as hell lol, and if your getting hit its sad lol. And but sorry no one is tanking the second any dd wants to make you look like shit, and honestly I would be the first to make you look like a noob.

Hahaha wow. I actually had to stop and do the math but you're right.

Rdm enmity cycle (15 seconds): Sleep II > Blind > Sleep > Blind => 802 CE + 2080 VE = 2882 TE at ~193 E/s

nin/drk enmity cycle (22 seconds): Stun > Hojo > Sleep > Bind > Kurayami => 661 CE + 2720 VE = 3381 TE at ~153 E/s

Even going for max TE with Blinds instead of ninjutsu that only brings them up to ~183 E/s

The thing people have to remember is that your talking about endgame, depending on you linkshell you will not be able to spam sleep due to resistance, which means the hate numbers will change.

Just because I'm incredibly biased doesn't mean I make outlandish claims that aren't true, lol.

Now while I'm in bossing people around mode, someone needs to go Banish some Crabs for me.

Volunteers?
______________________________


I'd love to do Faffles/Wyrms at some point, so far I have all 4 Sky Guardians and Kirin under my belt, along with Proto-Omega. Byakko is insane to tank lol, despite several years of Sky I never knew it was that rough on the tanks.

Callisto is on my friends list there for something has to be wrong with him.

I don't call Utsusemi and dual wield a job, do you?

I do, and so does the majority of ninjas.

Because every other job has at least one

Every other job isn't ninja, but damn are you sure this isn't an alternate account made by one of our red mages?

Playing this job for 6 years I'm fucking sick and fucking tired of dual wielding and buying shihei. Yeah, whoo, I spent 2,500,000 on elemental spells. Purely for hate purposes, dmg died out eventually. When I hit 75, I didn't get anything for another 3 years and it was a job trait that... helped me save money? I'm at the point where I don't pay for tools, I just have them. Sange can blow me. San spells? Whee, whee, whee. Ni wheel is much more efficient.

Actually Ninja has a Job Ability, its called sange. It fails hard as hell, but it is an ability. Oh shit you spent gil on tools... as ninja or /nin OH SHIT! If your sick of ninja in all due reality go level another job, we don't care about your sandy vag spewing across the board.

Look, it's not our problem that you're tired of being a NIN. SMN still has it infinitely worse than NIN in terms of "what the job is vs how the job should play" and you choose to stick with the job. Loathe it so much? There's like 20 jobs in the game already. Pick another one or quit the game.

^- Reread this, not to mention its not like you can't get ninja to 75 in under a month, where other jobs have a long road.

I like NIN the best and I'm sick of the "You're overpowered" mentality from angsty drgs, pups, smns, bsts, etc. Level the fucking job first. If you want me to give examples of why we aren't I'll give you some.

I leveled Drg, and Ninja... And I still think your a fucking idiot '.'/

last post

God damn it I hate agreeing with you.

[Raitox]

Re: This job is too easy.

-DRK zergs
-SAM arguably best DD
-WAR arguably the best DD

There is a role that each one plays exclusively. I don't get asked to DD to any HNM.

I am not most NIN's.

[Sevv]

Re: This job is too easy.

-DRK zergs
-SAM arguably best DD
-WAR arguably the best DD

There is a role that each one plays exclusively. I don't get asked to DD to any HNM.

-Ninja tanks

Drks don't get asked to Tank Hnms
Sam don't get asked to Tank Hnms
War gets lol'd at for tanking Hnms.

OH shit?

And if you do hnms, I know one linkshell who has a weak link.

I am not most NIN's.

I agree, your a joke

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: This job is too easy.

I like NIN the best and I'm sick of the "You're overpowered" mentality from angsty drgs, pups, smns, bsts, etc. Level the fucking job first. If you want me to give examples of why we aren't I'll give you some.

Most of us have levelled NIN to some degree or another. People aren't saying its overpowered because they have something against it, they're saying that because its true.

[Raitox]

Re: This job is too easy.

Level it to 75 BBQ.
I do my job fine. But I don't know about you, but I know of a linkshell with one arrogant fuck in it, and I believe that that is it's weakest link. I'm done with you guys, can't see my view one way or the other. Taskmage, would you do the honors?