This job is too easy.

[711rocks]

Re: This job is too easy.

d00d merit enmity

[Vyuru]

Re: This job is too easy.

Yeesh, so much in one day.

1. I'm saying that a well geared NIN will, and should, have hate on him at least 60% of the time. Not more, because, if you have a Samurai firing off WS left and right, what are you going to do with just Provoke and Damage?

Pre-merits, it's a crappy Ninja who doesn't have hate on him at least 80% of the time. At merits, frankly you won't even be tanking.

Did you know NIN is the only job in the game with no natural job abilities (This is excluding two hours).

Did you know that until this update, Brd also had no natural job abilities, excluding Disco Ball?

I wish I partied with your friend.

Judging by your responses, no, you don't wish you had partied with my friend. It's people like you who wouldn't give a Puppet Master the time of day that made him have to Campaign for all of his merits, regardless of how well he played his job.

And to nitpick, your DD tiers are horribly messed up.

If there are two tanks they damn well better be equal.

And so far, you have been alluding to the fact that Ninja is the, well, better at everything than a Paladin is.

[Ameroth]

Re: This job is too easy.

And so far, you have been alluding to the fact that Ninja is the, well, better at everything than a Paladin is.

Or more so that NIN is just what good players tank as, and PLD is just for nubs. gtfo nubPLDlolthxkbye.

[Omni]

Re: This job is too easy.

hmm 7 pages on pld vs nin. am i missing something or is it 2004?

[WovenDarkness]

Re: This job is too easy.

hmm 7 pages on pld vs nin. am i missing something or is it 2004?

Just ninjepeen


EDIT: or ninjemo

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: This job is too easy.

Tier 2
Ranger
Dragoon
Ninja
Blue Mage
Paladin
Corsair

Tier 3
Puppetmaster
Dancer
Beastmaster

Basicially, the way you tiered it shows both your ignorance and favortism. See, you actually count PLD and NIN in DD. DD is part of the tanking, but like COR, its not exactly why we invite them. Great if they do it, great if they don't, but most people won't care.

So those jobs shouldn't even really be in your tiering consideration. Improving DD for those jobs is a personal choice in playstyle. As a COR, yes, I will work to get the best DoT I can. Not many CORs out there do and most people treat it like BRD. Regardless of what I do, I'm invited for support first and whatever else second.

When I invite a PLD or NIN, damage is not the highest thing on my mind. The factor is if you can keep hate. I don't care how you do it, I just care that you keep hate. That's all you're there to do. If you're a NIN and I'm a RNG, though, I know for a fact I'm gonna have to tone my play down. I could rip hate off a NIN even using lower tier ammo. This without really trying.

It will even happen if you put the most tricked out endgame NIN up against the least tricked out 75 RNG. But hey, guess RNG is tier 2, eh?

Pfft.

[Sevv]

Re: This job is too easy.

hmm 7 pages on pld vs nin. am i missing something or is it 2004?

Sometimes this forum time travels.

Pld/Nin in full dd gear can be insane.

[Andrinor]

Re: This job is too easy.

Summary of thread:

OP: I'm bitter and I want to bitch.

Others: There's no cause to be bitter and here's a bunch of reasons.

OP: Too bad, Imma still bitch no matter what you say.

Is there really much more here?

It will even happen if you put the most tricked out endgame NIN up against the least tricked out 75 RNG. But hey, guess RNG is tier 2, eh?

Pfft.

Having both RNG and NIN at 75, I agree with this. My RNG on my worst day can rip hate off my NIN on it's best day. I've actually had to "forget" to use Velocity Shot in merits just to keep things from getting out of hand. And not that anyone notices, but there's a reason I save Winder until I know it can finish the mob.

Oh well, at least he didn't put RNG in tier 4 behind the meleeing WHMs.

[Mog]

Re: This job is too easy.

Geez, this thread is still going on?

Raitox, I would suggest doing a search and going to the millions of PLD/NIN threads that were made longgggg ago. Save us the headache.

[711rocks]

Re: This job is too easy.

Sometimes this forum time travels.

Pld/Nin in full dd gear can be insane.

seriously, more people need to work on this

i both plds and nins but plds you guys gotta not tank in merits
seriously, you lose hate to 1 good WS and parse literally like 3% which is why people bitch and just get a samurai

however homam/heca 8/8 sword, suppa, lots of extra acc, joytoy/idk what they like eating meat kabobs is EXCELLENT

the damage is at least as good as your average pickup melee and you hold hate significantly better

mad love for DDing plds

[Omni]

Re: This job is too easy.

too bad not everyone can do dd pld well. dd pld are more times than not pretty roflwaffles when you put them next to some competent dd.

[WishMaster3K]

Re: This job is too easy.

I gave up on using PLD for Merits. In the time it'll take me to form a functioninsh pt, I could have gotten a jillio exp on RDM already.

[Raitox]

Re: This job is too easy.

Oh, I get it. Looks like I'm going to lose this anyway, because it is everyone against me, so I'll say PLD is fine and is getting everything that it deserves and is finally a powerful tank, and Ninja is retardedly overpowered because it has one more shadow than subbable Ni, and can dual wield.

I quote myself because I can. What I'm saying is, it's far harder to be an efficient Ninja tank than it is to be an efficient Paladin tank, and that is a fact.

[Callisto]

Re: This job is too easy.

I read all 7 pages of this shitfest just to say RDM makes better hate than NIN and has better damage mitigation, so phoooey to NIN. PLD rocks.

I'm going to go stab my brain now. What the fuck.

Edit - Leftover points:

1) You want to bitch about your job losing functionality outside of meripo? Go level DNC. NIN is fine as is, that's why it hasn't been adjusted.

2) You guys should make yourselves more useful and help me think of cheap MND- pieces that RDM can wear, I got Spike Necklace and Forest Belt so far.

[Taskmage]

Re: This job is too easy.

RDM makes better hate than NIN and has better damage mitigation, so phoooey to NIN.

Hahaha wow. I actually had to stop and do the math but you're right.

Rdm enmity cycle (15 seconds): Sleep II > Blind > Sleep > Blind => 802 CE + 2080 VE = 2882 TE at ~193 E/s

nin/drk enmity cycle (22 seconds): Stun > Hojo > Sleep > Bind > Kurayami => 661 CE + 2720 VE = 3381 TE at ~153 E/s

Even going for max TE with Blinds instead of ninjutsu that only brings them up to ~183 E/s