Alright, which one of you has been editing the wiki?

[ItazuraNhomango]

Re: Alright, which one of you has been editing the wiki?

To OP:

That line has been in that guide since August of 2005. Or before. And, it's FFXIclopedia, nothing to do with FFXIonline. ._.

[Silent Howler]

Re: Alright, which one of you has been editing the wiki?

I found the damage equation for Quick Draw in one of those wiki guides; something I was unable to find anywhere else.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: Alright, which one of you has been editing the wiki?

Which is why they have this nifty disclaimer:

Disclaimers don't excuse the general lack of fact-checking. Its done on the site, why not on the guides as well?

I found the damage equation for Quick Draw in one of those wiki guides; something I was unable to find anywhere else.

that information can be found just about anywhere. Spider Dan has cited the formula several times on the COR Forum here.

[Zempten]

Re: Alright, which one of you has been editing the wiki?

I followed the BLM guide solo , it was pretty good imo. I mean the one that actually gives you locations on where to solo.

People shouldn't just always take another's word right off the bat anways. It's good to question and understand rather then to just accept.

[Silent Howler]

Re: Alright, which one of you has been editing the wiki?

that information can be found just about anywhere. Spider Dan has cited the formula several times on the COR Forum here.

It's not on your guide.

[Eiyoko]

Re: Alright, which one of you has been editing the wiki?

The issue seems to be fixed. I checked and it's not there anymore.

[Silent Howler]

Re: Alright, which one of you has been editing the wiki?

Paladin is a mostly defensive job class, and has less attack power than most other melee classes.

Much better.

[dirtyclown]

Re: Alright, which one of you has been editing the wiki?

Wow, I posted that as a joke and someone actually went and edited it. Although it's still not really all that true, but whatever. I'll edit it myself later for lulz.

For how much of the game are Paladins requested to tank, and how much effort must a Paladin go to at what point in the game just to just to compete with other damage dealers?

Why ask this question when you already know the answer yourself? You've been there, and you know that we don't have to turtle the whole time until we can wear a hauby. DD gears can be worn by whichever job can equip them, there isn't an extra requirement for a Paladin to put them on too.

It really only seems like Paladins can deal comparable damage because melee jobs gimp their damage for survivability these days, whereas Paladins just gimp their survivability for damage.

Back in the day, Paladins went full defense and therefore had little offense capability because of our self imposed turtling strategy, not because melees one day decided to gimp themselves. Damage post 50 is completely random anyway, so it's not like we're hurting anything by adding more to the party, and taking on that second role that we've discussed a few times before. I have a ban on my account as proof of how touchy a subject it is, and people seem to not want to accept it. As the game evolves, the players come up with different ways to play, and this is just one of them. Paladin is not the same job it was back in the day, it's turned into a hybrid. If those old patch notes are anything to go by, it's turned back into the job that SE envisioned in the first place.

Slight edit: Here's the revised version of the guide.



It still needs a bit of work, imo.

[ItazuraNhomango]

Re: Alright, which one of you has been editing the wiki?

Back in the day, Paladins went full defense and therefore had little offense capability because of our self imposed turtling strategy, not because melees one day decided to gimp themselves.

I thought back in the days, PLD did great damage and tanked with curing. Then S-E nerfed that and PLD ended up not functioning well doing both at the same time? That would indicate S-E do not want PLD to be DD--at least not while it's tanking.

Damage post 50 is completely random anyway,

I highly doubt that; can definitely tell the difference in damage received when Berserk is up vs. when it's down.

Randomness is involved, but the average damage apparently conforms to set formulas--formula which involves one's defense rating.

I have a ban on my account as proof of how touchy a subject it is, and people seem to not want to accept it.

Somehow, I don't believe it was the subject matter which got you in trouble, instead of how you argued your points.

[Celeal]

Re: Alright, which one of you has been editing the wiki?

I will added that while PLD physical defense is great, the magical defensive would be supplement by subjob (like /nin, /rdm, etc), or party support.

[dirtyclown]

Re: Alright, which one of you has been editing the wiki?

I thought back in the days, PLD did great damage and tanked with curing. Then S-E nerfed that and PLD ended up not functioning well doing both at the same time? That would indicate S-E do not want PLD to be DD--at least not while it's tanking.

As far as I'm aware, SE didn't do anything to "nerf" Paladins at all. There was a time when Cure spells generated a massive amount of Enmity, but other than that I can't really think of any actual "nerf" to the job itself. The cure update was quite needed from the sound of things. >.>

I highly doubt that; can definitely tell the difference in damage received when Berserk is up vs. when it's down.

I put up Sentinel when I use Berserk, and use Flash when it wears off. I also tank in a Byrnie now, to avoid the -20 evasion that Hauby offers. My damage output is far superior to what it used to be, and my damage taken is still on the same level as it was when I turtled up and munched on Tacos. There's no point in limiting ourselves.

Randomness is involved, but the average damage apparently conforms to set formulas--formula which involves one's defense rating.

I'm quite certain that it's a static number of Defense that we need to meet to get any sort of noticeable damage reduction. Past that number (somewhere in the 300s), we don't really need any more than what we have. Also keep in mind that's exp mobs, as they tend to have a gradually increasing attack power as opposed to HNMs who are completely ridiculous.

Somehow, I don't believe it was the subject matter which got you in trouble, instead of how you argued your points.

That is a possibility, but if you look over the thread you can tell how much it riles up the community in general. We're basically committing a cardinal sin by going against player established "rules" on how to do our job.

[Raitox]

Re: Alright, which one of you has been editing the wiki?

You don't wear Hauby because of the -eva? Come on. A PLD couldn't evade a frisbee if it saw it coming.

[dirtyclown]

Re: Alright, which one of you has been editing the wiki?

You don't wear Hauby because of the -eva? Come on. A PLD couldn't evade a frisbee if it saw it coming.

With the -40ish evasion that most Paladins have on, that's true. I wear a Byrnie to tank now, and use the Hauby for weapon skills. With a Hauby on full time, it's difficult to evade attacks even with Flash up so I decided to tweak my overall gear setup to address that issue. A Byrnie is just as good as a Hauby, you just have to put your accuracy into different slots and you get the exact same effect.