Low/Mid Level PLD Gear

[rshermaniv]

Re: Low/Mid Level PLD Gear

Stick with the + Vit rings. I used + Vit all the way to 75 never using sushi (because the shallops and tacos are better tank food) or +acc armor and i never have problems hitting the mob.

[Armando]

Re: Low/Mid Level PLD Gear

That's a lie, unless you definition of "never have problems hitting the mob" is "I'm perfectly fine with my low hit rate."

I ate sushi and had Haubergeon, double Woodsman Rings, R.G. Collar and an Assault Earring and I still only had around 80% hit rate.

And like Itazura said, just because you can get away with just using Defense food and VIT rings on everything it doesn't mean it's the best way to do things.

[rshermaniv]

Re: Low/Mid Level PLD Gear

Hmmm... a Haub? Not the best tanking gear... I hit 75% of the time, s'ok for a meatshield. But with my maxed vit and def, i did my job holding while taking little damage.

(i dont lie )

[Murphie]

Re: Low/Mid Level PLD Gear

Do you have a parse that shows this? Because I can assure you that Armando does.

[rshermaniv]

Re: Low/Mid Level PLD Gear

A parse? no. It appears there are 2 way different views that exist throughout this post. Those that think paladin can DD and those that believe paladin's best at keeping hate and taking little damage. For those that believe paladin can DD I'd like to see a parse with the paladin dmg compared to other jobs that most consider dd's. It might exist, i've just never seen it.

[Murphie]

Re: Low/Mid Level PLD Gear

It has nothing to do with damage compared to other DDs. It has to do with tanking effectively while also contributing to the cumulative party damage.

[Armando]

Re: Low/Mid Level PLD Gear

Parses: http://www.ffxionline.com/forums/pal...midgame-3.html

Haubergeon is more useful than Gallant Surcoat in most situations. That makes it a good tanking piece.

[Celeal]

Re: Low/Mid Level PLD Gear

Your PLD accuracy always depend upon the receiving end of your sword DoT is another thing to consider as well.

Def+/Vit+ is great if and only if the mob is hitting the PLD. When the PLD has the hate, Def+/Vit+ has its usage; when the mob is eating other party members, Def+/Vit+ cannot do much about it.

[rshermaniv]

Re: Low/Mid Level PLD Gear

I agree Celeal. I used my paladin in a static traditional party setup from lvl 25-75, we never did TP burns, it was always SC's + MB. In this type of setup, a paladin should never lose hate and thus the +def and +vit are what i used. In a TP burn party where hate bounces, the + vit doesn't do jack.

[Celeal]

Re: Low/Mid Level PLD Gear

A parse? no. It appears there are 2 way different views that exist throughout this post. Those that think paladin can DD and those that believe paladin's best at keeping hate and taking little damage. For those that believe paladin can DD I'd like to see a parse with the paladin dmg compared to other jobs that most consider dd's. It might exist, i've just never seen it.

IMHO, you may misunderstood something about Hybrid-DD PLD tanking.

The purpose of increase the damage output of a PLD, is to raise the hate threshold higher/faster, in order to enable the DD to kill the mob sooner. In general, the mob damage the party over time at a certain rate. Directly cut the duration of the battle (kill the mob sooner), will directly decrease the amount of damage the tank/party taken.

For example, lets say exp. on Sea Puk. Imagine how much Crosswind/Flash-aga/AoE/regular-attacks the Puk can do in a 1-minute battle, and compares it if the battle is reduced to 30 seconds. I believe that is the core behind Hybrid-DD PLD tank in ToAU parties.

P.S.
Wow, you guys reply so quick, is this during a tea break or something ^^? XD

[Armando]

Re: Low/Mid Level PLD Gear

I agree Celeal. I used my paladin in a static traditional party setup from lvl 25-75, we never did TP burns, it was always SC's + MB. In this type of setup, a paladin should never lose hate and thus the +def and +vit are what i used. In a TP burn party where hate bounces, the + vit doesn't do jack.

Only in an ideal world. In reality, DDs have the potential to rip hate off of you at any given moment even in a traditional party, so more hate is always better. If you never lose hate it's not because you have that much, it's because the DDs let you.

Acc and Attack work better than VIT and Def in a traditional party if the right conditions are met.

[rshermaniv]

Re: Low/Mid Level PLD Gear

While using +acc may help kill the mob faster, the paladin will be taking more damage thus requiring more MP for the healers, thus depleting MP and making the chain stop to wait for MP. That's my reasoning behind +vit and def. Paladin was not designed to deal damage, but to take little thus conserving more MP for longer chains.
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Oh, and Celeal, I'm just at work sitting at my deskdoing some quotes, that's why the quick responses. A tea break does sound good though... brb

[Armando]

Re: Low/Mid Level PLD Gear

Paladin was not designed to deal damage, but to take little thus conserving more MP for longer chains.

Paladin is intended to tank. Tanking is achieved through different means.

Your argument doesn't hold because I can use the reverse it and make it sound like I'm right as well. "A PLD wearing Defense and VIT will drag out fights, making whatever damage he saved per hit worthless because he's getting hit more times, and stopping chains because the fights aren't short enough."

You can only have so much Defense before it stops being useful. It takes a LOT of VIT to make a noticeable difference in damage. Forget VIT and drop all excess Defense, devote those equipment slots to doing more damage to hold hate better and make fights shorter. It's not a difficult concept to grasp.

I'm tired of beating this dead horse.

Here's a fun experiment. Fight something. Take off 4 VIT. Let me know if you can tell a difference without writing down all the numbers and calculating the average damage. Hell, let me know if you can even tell the difference even if you do the math. The difference is trivial.

[rshermaniv]

Re: Low/Mid Level PLD Gear

It's just 2 different views of Paladin, and it's ok there are 2, it's all good.

[Callisto]

Re: Low/Mid Level PLD Gear

Word on the street, something you might like Armando:

Shrimp Sushi - VIT+1(?) Def +4%(not sure of cap) 15% Acc/Racc