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  • #1

    Midgame

    About to hit level 50. How does the Exp scene change after access to the ramp up in gear, Defender and stronger mobs.

    All I remember at this level is that Crabs are easy, but fights take forever because they're like brick walls that like spamming their TP moves.

    I have my gear posted on my RenTheRed Blog, so it's visible there, and I already brought my lvl 50 setup, and I can solo all/most my AF as RDM so I'm not concerned about that, but what should I be expecting?

    Antica in QSC were hitting me harder than other mobs, but thankfully my MP was going up at a decent rate, so that was tolerable.

    Oh, and I seem to be spamming Cure 3 like I was spamming Cure 2 in the 30-40s ; ;

    Oh well, just looking for input. I'm 7k from 50 right now, and I wanted to understand the feasible aspects of Defender. I understand that I get a 25% boost in Defense, but with my base attack at 183, can I afford to lose the 25% attack?

    Keep in mind I'm not trying to "turtle" per se, but gear is really limited. I'll attach a screenshot of my current setup.

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    Re: Midgame

    My PLD always tanked the first 1 or 2 critter at new camps on full turtle gears without food (and no Defender, if possible). (I was in a static party, so you may want to try this every session instead if you're doing the PUG's and want to see how well the party works)

    Then, depending on how badly I'm getting hit, I make the decision on food/Defender/gears. And, yes, there are times I hastily threw up both Shallops Tropicale and Defender before the end of the first fight. >_>;
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    • #3
      Re: Midgame

      when does pld atk ever matter?
      (being serious)
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      • #4
        Re: Midgame

        Well maybe not at this level, but I'm trying to break out of the Turtle Tanking stigma before I get to far into my career.
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        • #5
          Re: Midgame

          Can a pld be really effective dealing dmg w/o giving up a good amount of their defensive gear (and tank effectively) before they reach 74+?

          I haven't seen it done well at all. Something always gives when a pld tries to do that in my experience.

          taru edit: main problem is the tendency for pts to over hunt when grinding. you hardly find PTs hunting T-VT mobs before 70.
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          • #6
            Re: Midgame

            I was thinking it's all Macros Macros and Macros, but it's all situational. And for the amount of time I'd have it out (WS, or if we're at the high end of an exp area...), the juice wouldn't be worth the squeeze. >__>
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            • #7
              Re: Midgame

              Bah. Aren't you a RDM main? Deal with macros and inventory full of gears. It's your fate.

              Seriously, though, I was pining for accuracy gears badly when I got Vorpal Blade. Couldn't afford them... /sigh. I did have a Scorpion Harness from a friend who left the game--pretty much tanked with it full time by the time I reached Lv.64. (Borrowed a Haubergeon a few times, but ended up preferring SH over it.)
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              • #8
                Re: Midgame

                when does pld atk ever matter?
                (being serious)
                Always, just that there aren't always enough gear options to do much about it ;D Lv.40 is when things really start to pick up though (Hello there Woodsman Rings, Swordbelt, Lifebelt).

                Expect overhunting by the way. It's so easy to overhunt on crabs. People shouldn't do it, but they'll try, trust me. Speaking of Defender, that brings us to our next point. Defender is an iffy ability because it's only useful in situations you don't want to be in - when you're overhunting so incredibly that your damage flew out the window and more Defense actually does something. Situations like those aren't very conducive to good EXP, as you know. But hey, it gives your Berserk more mileage (Berserk, WS, Defender -> Cancel Defender, WS, cancel Berserk).

                T.M. Espadon will give you a big boost in damage output, and your new set of gear and Defense Bonus III will give you a lot more Defense. You can definetely go pseudo-DD right now. Put on some Woodsman Rings, Tiger Stole/Spike Necklace, Valkyrie/Walkure Mask, at 55 put on Jaridah Peti and Ryl.Grd. Collar. Also, Attack Earrings. Oh, by the way, never touch your Warrior's Belt ever again, and don't touch Gluttony Sword at all. T.M. Espadon +2 all the way to 60.

                Regarding Cure III: You'll be spamming it for a long time. Trust me. Get used to it.
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                • #9
                  Re: Midgame

                  Well I have a SH i use for RDM, and I guess I'll buy a Hauby and experiment with that. I was definitely looking at the TME HQs, because they're actually cheaper than the NQ (I suppose due to usage in level caps, etc) and I wasn't even thinking about doing the Gluttony, but instead that other broadsword that has a high damage ratio (I think it's a black sword or something to that effect)

                  And yeah, I agree with you there, Ifritno..

                  My ALT set has a "Melee", "Tank", "Turtle", "WS" and "TP" macross >_>;;

                  Maybe I just like pain..
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                  If we don't like something, collectively, if our hatred for it throbs like an abscess beneath every thread, does that mean that they're doing something right?
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                  • #10
                    Re: Midgame

                    Gluttony Sword isn't all that bad; the DPS is within 0.1 of Wise Wizard's Anelace (but not able to match the Atk+14, of course), and it has a much higher base damage to compensate for long delay, making it good for WS. It's a good compromise between offense and defense.

                    Wouldn't recommend someone go out of his way to get one, as Wise Wizard's Anelace can last until Bastard Sword. However, if the Gil is available or a friend is willing to lend one, might as well have it as an gear option.

                    * * *

                    The 295 delay doesn't bother me; my WAR40 got through vast majority of the parties on Great Axe, all with 489 to 504 delay, I think.
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                    yet not a mote of dust is stirred;
                    Moonlight pierces the depths of the pond,
                    leaving no trace in the water.
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                    • #11
                      Re: Midgame

                      Not trying to derail this into a Gluttony Sword discussion but Gluttony's higher DMG doesn't help WS damage enough to make up for the lost damage over time. That and T.M. Espadon +2 kinda blows the competition out of the water, to the point that it could even be as good as Bastard Sword +1 (haven't run the numbers yet but that +12 Attack might go the distance.)

                      EDIT: To add something of more relevance...Spirits Within.

                      You all know what it does. It'll be your friend from 55 to 60. Just know that using it when you actually need the hate is a lot better than adamantly storing it up to 300 TP for like 70 extra damage. If you need to use it early, do it.
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                      • #12
                        Re: Midgame

                        Just dinged 50.

                        BOY am I shiny, lol..
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                        If we don't like something, collectively, if our hatred for it throbs like an abscess beneath every thread, does that mean that they're doing something right?
                        Originally posted by Kaeko
                        As hard as it may be, don't take this game or your characters too seriously. I promise you - the guys that really own your account don't.
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                        • #13
                          Re: Midgame

                          CONGRATULATIONS

                          I squealed like a schoolgirl when I hit 50. True story.
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                          • #14
                            Re: Midgame

                            I don't think I'm taking this Parade Gorget off.

                            These mobs are hitting me like they're 1st graders trying to stand up to the neighborhood bully.

                            Who is consequentially in the 6th grade.

                            So essentially I'm an insecure preteen. >_>;;

                            That came out wrong.
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                            • #15
                              Re: Midgame

                              If they're hitting you so softly you should be eating sushi.
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