Partied w/Pld tank - 7k xp per hour wOOt

[Shinhiryu_Kage]

Ok, SO...

... last night got a JP primetime party and it included the following jobs: PLD, MNK, THF, RDM (me), SMN, WHM. LVs were 63-65. Everyone was [Do you speak Japanese?] and I was like [I can understand a little.] Which isn't entirely untrue...

Anyway, we went to Bhaflau Thickets to ... F-9 or somewhere, way over there near the bottom southwest corner of the map. There's a plethora of Colibri and Date Erucas (Fire Cralwers) in that little square box area that allows, it seems to me, probably 2 parties max. Luckily enough, our JP+1NA party was the only one there. Granted, there was a DRG/NIN soloing and a score of ppl that would swing by on chocobos, but that was it. Why a DRG/NIN was soloing, I don't know, it wasn't any of my business. lol

So, I joined this pt, we go out there, I'm expecting 3-4k an hour tops. Believe me, I love the PLD job and I will invite PLD's to party because I feel partial to them since I know sometimes they can have trouble getting invites when there's 2394001 NINs seeking, however, I was needing to get to 64 because I was at 8300xp and trying to reach an LS mate that is a WHM and 65.. and etc. etc. so I was kind of hoping it would go fast.

Party starts out, it seems slow going as I expected, and had to get a feel for how everyone played so I could find my niche. Turns out the WHM loves to para and slow, so I let him have it and I was able to play full RDM role, enfeebling, refreshing 4 ppl, hasting 2, bursting Bliz 2 on Distortion, etc. etc.

Well, after a while, I notice we're pulling non-stop. Now, I'm playing my role to the fullest of my MP and sometimes running out while they're pulling non-stop, so I have to rest a little between battles, which is no problem. I had 683MP which I thought was good, but after pulling 3 mobs in a row, I can get depleted lol. Since I really can't cast spells on Colibri anyway, I just rest during those battles and spam when we pull crawler's, works out great. I notice the SMN and WHM rarely rested.... however, they were both taru and had 1900 MP between the two of them. That was key to what I'm actually about to say..

so.. an hour passes, the THF is pulling non-stop. I don't think we ever stopped except that time I said WC and they really did wait for 1 minute lol. Well, the SMN uses Fenrir Acc/Evd bonus + bursts w/Shiva and throws a few Magic Att/Magic Def's out on us Mages from time to time. THF and MNK are doing Howling Fist -> Dancing Edge for Distortion, PLD ending w/Vorpal Blade and creating Darkness, giving me 2 chances to burst with Bliz 2 and Water 2. That rocked. WHM is hasting the tank, Regen2'ing him and anyone else when needed, religiously, and keeping up heavily with the cures when the Crawlers blow their fire breath that can do upwards of 800 damage. lol (But, the good thing is, it got resisted very regularly when I throw out Barfira, so that was not an issue.) We never had any danger, it was smooth, cool normal xping playing to me.

Until, I checked our xp and, granted, I used an Empress ring, I found that I had made it to 16,700ish. Now, mind you I started out at 8300ish and only expected to hit 12k or so because, again, there's a PLD in the party....... but much to my surprise, our LEET party made me 8,400 xp minus the 1,000 from ring..... so 7400 is "not bad" for a PLD tank..... right? lol EXACTLY, I was happier than a school girl in pigtails -squeal.-

I love the PLD job and I always felt it deserved its niche in a high xp. In this party, because we had 1 main healer, 2 support healers, both of the SMN and WHM were Taru and had high end MP pools, coupled with the fact I was throwing out Bio2 and using def spells to counter any elemental damage, while PLD had great gear and a shield, allowed us to pull non-stop without resting or worrying about over healing or using up too much MP to take care of the PLD. This was the way I saw it. Now, if that can just be duplicated at any level, where you get 1 main healer, 2 support healers, and a good pld tank w/two every strong DD, 1 a spiker, and at least 2 ppl to burst with..... that's a recipe for success. I mean, forgive me if this is normal these days and I am unaware of it, but I was just so pleased that a PLD tank could provide XP of 7k +, which rivals that of NIN pts.

The party actually only lasted for 1:30 hours... so I only got to 19100 and the last 30 mins we had a few afks, so I was generally bummed out it didn't last longer. But, that was easily erased when I rode my choco back to Al'zahbi and realized I had been in a very good, very skilled party with a PLD tank. It makes me want to play PLD seriously again and form my own parties.

Thought I'd share some positive feedback with the community. Take care!

[Shinhiryu_Kage]

Re: Partied w/Pld tank - 7k xp per hour wOOt

Was hoping for some interesting responses and cool conversation, but the PLD forum is really slow for that lately. :/ w

Have been xping more lately and getting more experience w/the ToAU areas, so you'll have to excuse my noobness.

I'm finding that 7k xp per hour is average, from both public opinion and my own recollections. In addition, its usually best if you get a TP-Burn style party and spam ws'es against stuff that cons T-VT to you. W/a BRD, enough healing, and some WARs, you can make 10k an hour as if you were doing merit pts in sky.

Now, that is considering you have blink tanking going on. Anything involving a PLD will differ. While, I haven't been able to hit these 10k pts w/a PLD present, I have been in a few with a bunch of wars and a nin.

Nevertheless, I am still stoked that PLDs can be a part of high octane XP and do it brilliantly, nonethless, so I stand by my opinions. I can wait to play PLD again.

[Spiritbear]

Re: Partied w/Pld tank - 7k xp per hour wOOt

I personally would rather pt with a pld then a nin. Less work usually on the part of the whm as far as healing the tank goes. And if whm and pld have an understanding on when to cure the pld will never loose hate even if the whm cast a high lvl cure on him. I will always choose a pld over a nin for tank.

That being said I have had to teach a couple of pld the hard way how to play their jobs. I was in a pt with a pld who would die a couple of times an hour with me being completely drained of mp from curing him and almost dead myself from gaining hate. After the second time he died I noticed that he had a full mp bar, I went over the logs and realized that he hadn't even tried to cast a cure on himself or the drk that would take the hate from him. While we were waiting our raise to get back I sent /tells to the pt (except the pld) not to heal the pld and don't try to save him (Now this was after several fights with me trying to explain that curing the person with the mobs hate will give the pld more hate which he didn't listen too). So the puller grabs a mob and the pld vokes and I let him die. He complains, I tell him to cure himself and he gripes a bit. I raise him and the next fight we repeat the process. He gets really pissed, we have our talk again and the puller pulls. And once again we repeat the process, when he dies this time I talk to him again this time I tell him that I have a pld buddy (that has three pld characters 2 to 75 and the other at my lvl) that is going to come join the pt in the war we had as a dd, don't ask, and play tank for a couple of fights to show him how to do the job. He agrees to watch, I even challenged him to try and take hate off of my buddy he thought he could so it was game on. Puller grabs mob my pld buddy starts with a hi cure on the puller and then a voke, while previous pld just vokes with no effect really. We do a couple of fights like that my pld friend talks to him and we think it is good so my buddy leave the pt and watches the next couple of fights, as per my request. We invite the war back, I had him wait too, and puller pulls the pld cast hi cure and voke (I think "Holy Shit he learned something") and we fight, I run out of mp during the fight with all the cures I'm having to give the pt and he dies and so do I. We get our raises and try again (figuring that he was still getting the hang of it) same thing happens. So I tell the rng we have pulling to go afk for a min, he agrees and I tell the pld to voke pull he says ok. Once he cast voke I boot him and invite my pld buddy to the pt. Exp was great after that. I've had to do this as a PL too a couple of times, but at least they learned. The school of hard knocks will either make or break you. LOL.

If your going to play a job at least do it right. I don't care if you have the greatest equipment as long as you can do your job we are golden.

[TenchiHawkwing]

Re: Partied w/Pld tank - 7k xp per hour wOOt

You're not going to hit the 10k/hr PTs as with a PLD or NIN (or any other kind of tank, or even a PT without a tank) before endgame unless everyone knows what they are doing as their job and has some pretty decent equip. Those WARs out there with RK body and AF in the rest of their slots aren't going to cut it.

The EXP you get has very little to do with what job your tank is, it has more to do with how your party works together and what jobs you have in support of your tank. Alot of people believe that RDM/BRD backline 4 Frontline setup only works with NIN, but that's definitely not true. I was leveling BST the awhile back in a PT on Colibri... RDM BRD PLD BST BST BST(later replaced by WAR). All BSTs knew what was going on here and were geared up accordingly. The other 2 were using Darksteel axe +1 while I used Wrath tabar main hand, and offhand we all had viking axes, etc (I'll be replacing my offhand with a Tungi @ 60)

The PLD wasn't anything special, he had pretty decent gear but he was slow to provoke and wasn't using all of his abilities to the fullest, and you know what? We still made just over 9k/hr in that PT. With a NIN it would have probably been almost the same exp/hr.

[BlackSerenade]

Re: Partied w/Pld tank - 7k xp per hour wOOt

Nevertheless, I am still stoked that PLDs can be a part of high octane XP and do it brilliantly, nonethless, so I stand by my opinions. I can wait to play PLD again.

Wow, I'm so glad you played with a decent Paladin! You know what they say about positive "pat you on the back because I feel sorry for you guys" kind of posts, don't you? Every time you make one, a Paladin dings 75.

Sarcasm aside though, I am glad that you played with a decent Paladin who proved to you that we don't fail. I'd better leave before someone mentions the word "efficiency" though, else this topic turns into something horrible.

[Shinhiryu_Kage]

Re: Partied w/Pld tank - 7k xp per hour wOOt

Wow, I'm so glad you played with a decent Paladin! You know what they say about positive "pat you on the back because I feel sorry for you guys" kind of posts, don't you? Every time you make one, a Paladin dings 75.

Sarcasm aside though, I am glad that you played with a decent Paladin who proved to you that we don't fail. I'd better leave before someone mentions the word "efficiency" though, else this topic turns into something horrible.

You're perception is faltered, your "cutesy" statement is crass, and you're deamnor reeks of the stagnant waters of "self-absorption."

Your statements, sir/maam, are clearly inept. I won't proceed further, because there is no point.

Truth is like a fire; it burns down everything until that which cannot be burned; and leaves shinning gems in its wake.

You know what they, trolls are hurt best by fire. Otherwise, they regenerate all over the place.

[Vyuru]

Re: Partied w/Pld tank - 7k xp per hour wOOt

I've found that 8kish/hr with a pld tank isn't unusual for Mt Zhalom(sp?) camps. I think the party setup I had was something along the lines of pld, sam, smn, rdm, whm, drk. I couldn't use my exp ring so that was unboosted exp.

Just go with a good standard party setup and you'll do rather well.

[hongman]

Re: Partied w/Pld tank - 7k xp per hour wOOt

I have only had 2 parties on the AU areas and they both pulled in about 6-7k/hr. In the "old" areas unless it was an exceptioanl party I wouldn't expect to see more than 3-4k an hour.

I think the new areas are just generally better!

[Celeal]

Re: Partied w/Pld tank - 7k xp per hour wOOt

In my recent parties, I had a rough time with NIN tanks in ToAU camps (either I partied with NIN tanks or I am the NIN tank myself). Those exp. mobs in ToAU love the eat shadows... ~(*.*)~

IMHO, NIN solo tank performs better in traditional exp. area.

[hongman]

Re: Partied w/Pld tank - 7k xp per hour wOOt

IMHO, NIN solo tank performs better in traditional exp. area.

Except in the Jungles, where my NIN currently is ><

[Mhurron]

Re: Partied w/Pld tank - 7k xp per hour wOOt

I have only had 2 parties on the AU areas and they both pulled in about 6-7k/hr. In the "old" areas unless it was an exceptioanl party I wouldn't expect to see more than 3-4k an hour.
I think the new areas are just generally better!

In Zilart, CoP or ToAU areas, past 60 if i was getting less then 5-6k an hour it was a bad party. Some of the fastest parties I've been in were in Bibiki Bay before ToAU was released.

Thats eyeballing EXP/hr though, I never actually had an app monitoring it.

[hongman]

Re: Partied w/Pld tank - 7k xp per hour wOOt

I wonder why SE wont build XP/Hr stat into the game, its no harm after all. Just a reference.

[Omni]

Re: Partied w/Pld tank - 7k xp per hour wOOt

In my recent parties, I had a rough time with NIN tanks in ToAU camps (either I play with NIN tanks or I am the NIN tank myself). Those exp. mobs in ToAU love the eat shadows... ~(*.*)~
IMHO, NIN solo tank performs better in traditional exp. area.

sadly, nins of yesteryear have ditched the evasion/hate builds for haste/dd builds. they forget to tank in order to push dd output. i suppose its a fair trade off.

[Omni]

Re: Partied w/Pld tank - 7k xp per hour wOOt

I wonder why SE wont build XP/Hr stat into the game, its no harm after all. Just a reference.

because it serves no purpose.

[hongman]

Re: Partied w/Pld tank - 7k xp per hour wOOt

because it serves no purpose.

Now that is subjective - if it served no purpose, then 1) People wouldnt be using 3rd party apps to monitor it and 2) I would like to know my xp/hr for my own reference. That's enough purpose.

Kinda like the Playtime stat. Serves no direct purpose other than for reference.