What do Paladin's do wrong?

[Kurb]

Re: What do Paladin's do wrong?

This sounds interesting; what kind of food would the PLD use? Do they shift to more DD gear setup, or do both PLD's still rely on traditional defense food and gear?

Well last I used it both PLDs were in basic Iron musketeer gear with the shield from sandy, and we both used Tacos as we were switching every fight.
This being said another time I gave my Tacos to my fellow PLD and used cookies and took up the role of healer while the other PLD tanked......
Not the brightest idea but it worked well for about 10/12 fights untill we managed to get a propper main healer.

[csBahamut]

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/startrant

Hrm...these newer PLDs I see leveling up have been giving PLDs a bad name. Bad/minimal gear and no food usually. Sometimes I've seen an okay one, but no truly good PLD that knows how to play it.

Take the 50's for instance, since that's where my MNK has just gotten into, and where I rememeber some PLDs from my RDM days. 90% of the PLDs had full IM gear. While it does work, the hands and feet are no more than defense boosts. There's perfectly good +acc gloves that can be gotten with CP. GET A LIFE BELT. Man, I can't complain enough about the number of PLDs I see turtling up for everything. It's overkill and a waste. The extra defense and VIT won't be noticable. Grab some acc gear, pop that fish kabob, and actually hold hate now!!!! It's magic what a little piddly damage can do for hate control.

/endrant

[Kurb]

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true i saw a PLD once in the dunes with sweet FA for armour and using a grt Sword upon offering my advice as well as an old sword and gear I was called a noob granted i was only on the low 30/32 at the time but i was offering him good advice and better gear.Are all ppl like this nowadays when they start PLD cause i hear horor stories about new PLDs on my server.
1 ass actually ran off mid fight
In my opinion it's cause they think because a PLD can heal it's unbeatable <I wish> and think they can get a party simply on their job status <I wish>.
If im lvling my whm I'm always wary of rouge PLDs ><

[ItazuraNhomango]

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true i saw a PLD once in the dunes with sweet FA for armour and using a grt Axe upon offering my advice as well as an old sword and gear I was called a noob granted i was only on the low 30'2 at the time but i was offering him good advice and better gear.

PLD cannot use any great axe, as far as I can tell.

If you mean the player was using a great sword, I'd agree it's far from ideal, but it can work in the lower levels, and it's great for opening Distortion. (In the unlikely event that one encounters a encounter a pickup party with skillchain.)

What is "sweet FA"? And, "low 30'2"?

[Kurb]

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Ummm I can't say the F part on here i think its against the rules
but A stands for All oops hope i didn't give it away ....how did i get great axe and great sword mixed up

But the basic thing is we should get some uber Paladin(s) to teach these yung upstarts how to act.
As I have a tremondous amount of hate for this type of attiude i recommend someone else do it

[Gwynn]

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Actually, having leveling my SMN to 56 I've had to main heal a bit (though not nearly as much as I thought) I've had parties with quite a few PLDs. They were all fantastic, to be honest. I don't know how, but most of them only required a couple Cure III's per battle... for the most part they kep themselves alive and kept hate cemented on them. NINs on the other had were worse to main heal... they wouldn't need healed for most of the battle, but then their shadows would get wiped and the mob would use its big damage TP move and they'd die before I could get them back up... I never had any deaths with a PLD. Whatever SE is doing, they obviously must be doing something right.

[FranckKnight]

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That's coming back to the whole debate NIN vs PLD. The factors that count when comparing the two jobs for tanking :

-The mobs you fight
-The skill of the player

The mobs you fight are self-explanatory. Some mobs are better tanked with Ninjas, like mobs with single attacks and no nasty AoE to drop his shadows. With those mobs, ninjas can virtually never be hit. PLDs are prefered against mobs with AoE and multi-attacks because of this, where its not as much evading damage as staying alive through it, and the shield skill is pretty much what can make a PLD survive a Hundred Fist attack sometimes.

Now the skill of the player thought counts for alot :
-The gear they use
-The food they use
-Their own participation/attention on the fight

At base, a mediocre Paladin will keep hate better than a mediocre ninja only because Paladin are geared toward it. But in either case you'll find stupid players to give the job a bad name. A Ninja that can't use Utsusemi to save his life, a Paladin not Curing himself or not using Flash efficiently. Equipment will only help so much, the rest is up to the player to use them.

I've had parties with Ninjas that I had barely any need of healing at all, and parties that PLD is practically dead before they try to cast interrupted Cures.

But Paladin is also an exceptionally situational job. If you have a Healer that is very quick on the Cures, your PLD will only waste MP with his own Cures, because a PLD gets delayed in his casting trying not to get interrupted. The use of Defender and other defensive abilities are really up to the Paladin's judgement of the fight's flow.

[Kurb]

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bah

[Celeal]

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Regardless of efficient or exp. gain, etc, IMHO, NIN tank parties is more fun and exciting if the party can do-it-properly. A NIN tank party is a good chance for each party member to use his style and skill to the max.

[Rai]

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Regardless of efficient or exp. gain, etc, IMHO, NIN tank parties is more fun and exciting if the party can do-it-properly. A NIN tank party is a good chance for each party member to use his style and skill to the max.

How so? I am 75 PLD and 75 NIN, As a PLD I hold hate through things no NIN could, not even myself.

I have been told I hold hate better than any NIN by many people, but still as a PLD I have held hate through Bursts and the BLM could not believe the mob didn't turn. I've had DDs unleash what they thought was hell on a mob and when the dust settled it was still on me.

No, I am not perfect every time or in all situations, but as a PLD I know DDs can cut loose and push further than they ever could with a NIN tank.

If you are talking a party where all the DDs do /nin, then well I guess I could understand your post. But if you are talking a traditional party set up PLD allows the DDs to cut loose more and push their damage higher, because the PLD will protect them.

[Celeal]

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I am not talking about the exp. gain or who has many hate control... and not referring to all DD /NIN party either (there isn't really a main tank).

Let me put it this way:
In a PLD party, the healer can be a little slow for -na status removal, DD can be lack of hate control (to a certain extend), the puller may pull a link and party is slow on reacting to crowd control, etc... PLD party is still safer. A skillful PLD can still operate in those party. That is the beauty of PLD, not a doubt.

In a NIN tank party, if anyone in the party does not know what he is doing, it is obvious. Does the NIN has the skill? Does the healer quick in -na status removal, buffing and know the hate of the tank? Can the DD ride the hate with the NIN, or out of control? How does the NIN party handles the crowd control? etc...

In my opinion, when it comes to NIN parties, regardless of which role you are filling in that NIN party, it is more fun and interesting.

[ItazuraNhomango]

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But the basic thing is we should get some uber Paladin(s) to teach these yung upstarts how to act.

I usually only have success when I bribe them. >_>

One time, in Lower Delkfutt's Tower, I was trying to convince this PLD that meat mithkabob is not the right food for him. He kept insisting it let's him do more damage, so he can keep hate better.

Well, he run out of food at one point, and I happen to have a boiled crab on me, so I gave it to him. His reaction? Something along the line of "Oh wow, this is great! I feel like I can tank anything now."

He became very receptive to my suggestions after that. <_<;

[Kurb]

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LOL Reminds me of the time i was lvl my DRK in Quifim Offered my falme sword to the PLD and he ws refusing untill I told Him I was a LVL 30PLD

[dirtyclown]

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I should warn you about /b/ (Random), though. /b/ is NEVER worksafe. You'll find lots of hillarious pictures such as this and this, but people also use it to post random pics of porn and stuff. Also keep in mind that nothing - and I do mean nothing - is sacred in /b/, and nothing is to be taken seriously. A lot of the things you find in /b/ are funny, but would offend a lot of people (racial jokes are a favorite there, but don't be surprised if you find pics joking about Hitler, 9/11, or the KKK.)

How dare you. /b/ is supposed to shock first timers, telling them all about it and giving them a warning makes them into the softcore pansies who cry whenever a loli or guro thread is posted. This is exactly why we say to LURK MOAR.

I like to see what they have cooking in /d/(It's not as bad as they say, really!)

Women with huge packages are hot, amirite? For some reason I always laugh maniacally when visiting /d/. It's too hilarious to be erotic. Bondage makes me lol. Refresh pls Refresh pls Refresh pls Refresh pls Refresh pls Refresh pls Is really the only thing I can observe that Paladins do wrong when I'm on another job. The above phrase caused me to take a 2 month break when I was playing as Red Mage back in the day. We're already slave to a recast timer, there's no need to spam the chat log like that. Especially with a full MP bar, then they just sound like an ass. The problem I have as a Paladin is I never talk ingame. During a party, I'm pretty much mute. We could be getting hammered by things that are way too high, but I don't say anything just because I like to avoid unnecessary strife. Some people are way too touchy and won't take a suggestion from a random person wearing shiny white armor. It sucks even more because I don't say when I get status effects, the way I see it is the White Mage can see what's happening to me and should be able to respond with the proper cure when needed. I've run into a few who didn't know that Poison Breath causes poison though. >.>

[Lmnop]

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I hate it when people don't talk during exp. most of the time, they're not even paying attention.