What do Paladin's do wrong?

[Khevn]

Re: What do Paladin's do wrong?

I hate when people are too busy chatting to WS or pull

[Kurb]

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i hear that amigo I'm all for chatting to people don't get me wrong but only if theres nothing to be done i've had people talk to me constantly mid fight as a whm about things like "really your Irish I like Ireland"and it's baiscally spam and annoying when i tell them im busy they get offended sissies

[FranckKnight]

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Chatting during fights is ok, but there's a time for everything. A good part of playing the game is having fun, and having a bunch of mute drones pulling their exp just makes you realize that its a boring grinding game like any other.

Livening it up a bit is never a bad thing, but when the action starst, the focus needs to be on the mob and the party. Especially the key members, namely the tank and the healer.

DDs have possibly the most mindless job, and the worse of them being Monk. All they do is pound pound pound. Thieves try to position for SATA. Dark Knights use Absorb spells. Its just an example, it doesn't take away the goodness of Monks thought. But attention wise, they probably require the least.

A PLD will need to keep hitting his Voke/Flash macros, and mind his own HP, no matter if the WHM is faster than him or not, he needs to check and if he gets hit too hard, his Cure combined with the WHM's at the same time will fill him right up to rim.

A WHM needs to not only pay attention to HP, but also try to keep an eye on the action for those pesky special attacks for bad status effects, and also check on buffs and debuffs running out, if he's the one taking care of them.

RDM will try to keep on top of Refresh, but also the debuffs running out as its his specialty. But also of links to sleep them if need is, and of healing if things gets a bit more chaotic as it always happens once in a while.

If everyone is in their game, paying attention and doing what's required, the party will get great exp, and even have time to have fun with random chatter.

[Kurb]

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true but if your lucky you'll nvr have to find out

[LyonheartLakshmi]

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The only thing that stands out to me with PLDs (and this goes for any tank, whether it's a PLD, NIN or WAR) is when they do their first voke. It drives me nuts when the tank engages first before voking. This ends up delaying the time it takes for the first voke, which causes everyone else to have to wait before they engage / cast first debuff / etc.

[Kurb]

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OMG I hate when tanks do that I myself have never done this as I started life out as a Red Mage I suffered because of that exact same thing so I know it's a good way to loose main healers .Even the other night I was Lvling my Whm
puller pulled and I healed the puller who by now was next to me BANG!! AGGRO HP goesstraight to yellow then came the voke

[Armando]

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Man, I can't complain enough about the number of PLDs I see turtling up for everything. It's overkill and a waste. The extra defense and VIT won't be noticable. Grab some acc gear, pop that fish kabob, and actually hold hate now!!!! It's magic what a little piddly damage can do for hate control.

Sadly, this is something that's been around since the beginning of the game D: At the very least now people are somewhat open to the possibility of increasing their damage some now that some PLDs have begun to adapt and turn into pseudo-DDs at endgame, but back then it was the SUPAR TURTLE DEFENSE style or nothing. You're right, though, it's a big mistake a lot of people unknowingly commit.

How dare you. /b/ is supposed to shock first timers, telling them all about it and giving them a warning makes them into the softcore pansies who cry whenever a loli or guro thread is posted. This is exactly why we say to LURK MOAR.

I usually let people I know find out about /b/ on their own, but it just doesn't feel right if it's a total stranger XD

I've run into a few who didn't know that Poison Breath causes poison though. >.>

Wow, LOL

The only thing that stands out to me with PLDs (and this goes for any tank, whether it's a PLD, NIN or WAR) is when they do their first voke. It drives me nuts when the tank engages first before voking. This ends up delaying the time it takes for the first voke, which causes everyone else to have to wait before they engage / cast first debuff / etc.

Actually, this is only an issue when people do it wrong. The range for drawing your weapon at a target is significantly larger than the range of Provoke, and if you draw your weapon as soon as possible you have more than enough time to voke the thing before it gets to camp. I use a macro every time someone pulls: /attack <bt>. If you do that as soon as the puller claims the mob, you'll either target it and fail to draw your weapon (happens if it's too far away) or draw your weapon from quite a distance away. Very convenient.

Anyways, sorry to disappear like that, had further internet complications this week and on top of that I was busy with finals. Plus, I got hooked on FFT and beat it in 5 days. I'm still playing it >.> 64 hours and counting! I never knew Wizards with Draw Out could be so broken...anyways, I will now resume the fanart posting!
Agrias rides a chocobo (poor thing...)
Agrias drinks a Potion.
By far one of my favorites.
A pretty nifty drawing of Agrias's sprite.
Ramza vs Delita.

On another note I found this little avatar over on the rpgamer website!

Good stuff, I've seen that site a couple of times but never bothered to check it out. I think I will :3

[dirtyclown]

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Agrias rides a chocobo (poor thing...)
Agrias drinks a Potion.
By far one of my favorites.
A pretty nifty drawing of Agrias's sprite.
Ramza vs Delita.

[Armando]

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LOL. Hadn't seen that one yet. Classic. Ok, because I'm amused, I'll comply.
Another pic of Agrias holding a Knight Sword.
A really nice expression sheet.
Agrias stares out a window.
A really cute (female) Mime. You know, I never knew they could be soooo much fun.
(Spoiler alert) Bloody Angel.

[Vyuru]

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Hmmm, I'm not sure but I think you like the Agrias pics Armando

I never knew Wizards with Draw Out could be so broken

Anything with Draw Out is broken, thiefs with draw out are just plain fun :D

So is the 4x dancer with hide, dance the enemy to death!

An interesting feature to the game is that if you use Ramza's +str move on dancers, the dance damage goes up. Combine that with haste items/abilities and it gets REALLY fun.

[Armando]

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You got me - I'm an Agrias fanboy. It's just too bad I haven't seen any FFT hentai out there save for this one doujin (Agrias x Ovelia and Ramza x Delita.) It's pretty good if you're into flat-chested girls, and it mimics the FFT art style pretty well. If you guys want, I could upload it into a Photobucket album or zip it and upload it somewhere.

Anything with Draw Out is broken, thiefs with draw out are just plain fun :D

Yeah, but if you take a Wizard and max out his Magic Attack, it actually obsoletes his spells because the Draw Outs start doing so much XD It's almost disgusting, you can compete with Orlandu's damage that way. Kind of ironic that they made it magic-based, it kinda makes Samurai one of the least fit jobs to use Draw Out, too. But yeah, since I don't have FFXI these days (that'll change soon, I'm going back home for winter vacation) I've been doing little experiments in FFT instead, lol.

So is the 4x dancer with hide, dance the enemy to death!

An interesting feature to the game is that if you use Ramza's +str move on dancers, the dance damage goes up. Combine that with haste items/abilities and it gets REALLY fun.

LOL. Dance doesn't take you out of Sunken State? And yeah, I was wondering what controlled the damage, but I've been too busy testing other stuff instead. That's...really interesting. I always figured it'd be Magic Attack. Hmm... >:3

[dirtyclown]

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Blade Grasp, Two Swords, Auto Potion and Reflect Mail makes that game broken. Add in Draw out for lol factor and you've got an unstoppable war machine. Also, Blade Grasp on a mage with high Brave makes for some massive lols.

I got into a party yesterday and got to 62 finally. Sadly I had to leave about 2 and a half hours in, but I've got a nice buffer to screw around with before I have to join another PT. Anyway, onto my point.

Cover. This ability does not get used enough I don't think, whether it be due to ignorance, or some Paladins can't be bothered to look up a proper macro to use it right. In the party I was in yesterday, we had a WAR/NIN and he was hitting like a truck every other WS. Cool thing about it was that he understood how Cover works and he'd snuggle up to me right before letting loose with Rampage. I'd Cover, toss a Flash, and have hate back on me in a few seconds. Nobody died, we all got some decent exp, and the White Mage was even nice enough to keep me Hasted. It was the kind of party that made me admire this game's mechanics, and made me want to keep playing. Everything went smoothly because of Cover. If you don't use Cover, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG. Over the time I've played it has become my favorite JA, and it saddens me that it doesn't see regular use most of the time.

[Vyuru]

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FFT is one of my favorite games, it's alot of fun. I really like Reis, she has a chance of charming an opponent whenever she hits them when she is her Dragoner job. She has an innate, oh what's it called? Ability that unlocks monsters extra abilities when they are within 2-3 squares of her.

Auto Potion

Just make sure you don't have any normal potions in your inventory.

King Behemoth hits Ramza for 500 damage!

Ramza uses a potion!

Ramza restores 30 hp! Booya!

I highly dislike creating those ultimate parties, too often one of my characters gets charmed because I forget to protect against that. Getting Orlandu charmed by one of the assassins in the Elmdor fight is fun >.>

[Empedocles]

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Hmmm. Cover... I remember I forgot we actually had the ability once. I had a series of pretty shocking parties from like... 30 to 50.

Then I got a static together (died so long ago, I kinda wish I hadn't tried now) and we go somewhere and people are actually using their brains, and lo!
Samurai says: "Emp I think you might need to {Cover} me, I'm going to try for a new record soon."
(Me drooling): "Eh? Wassat? Ohhh {Cover} riiiight, I forgot about that."
Samurai: "o.O"

So yeah. I don't get to use it very much, and the one party a month ago in Caedarva Mire it would have been a big waste of time. The point yeah....

Now I'm a pretty decent tank, the parties that actually function that I'm a part of tend to do very well, it's probably that I'm at the TP-burn kinda level now, but I've given up on trying to co-ordinate with the DDs. So just because the Paladin doesn't instantly cover a DD doesn't mean they are poor at the job.

As for the en-masse VIT + def, you gotta remember that this mentality has been around pretty much since the game's original release because it works. There have been quite a few updates for Paladins where there have been two expansion releases, new foods, new gear, mobs with different attacking styles in the past couple of years, (The shield adjustment being one of the biggest changes) where it's easier for Paladins to slant towards the damage side of things. This game has changed so much... heck, I even remember being slammed for wanting to go SAM/RNG April 2004!

So in conclusion, it's not right to bash people because they have been told to do something a certain way.. kindly talk to them about it, and if they don't want to listen, then it's their bad and leave them to it.

Time go sleepy sleep.

[dirtyclown]

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King Behemoth hits Ramza for 500 damage!

I highly dislike creating those ultimate parties, too often one of my characters gets charmed because I forget to protect against that. Getting Orlandu charmed by one of the assassins in the Elmdor fight is fun >.>

I never remember being nailed quite that hard by King Behemoth, though I usually have Blade Grasp in place of Auto Potion for obvious reasons. Auto Potion just works really well in certain boss fights (Wiegraf at the monastery) when coupled with Reflect Mail. I used the Monk's long range move that travels along the ground against him and made short work of him that way. Also, I usually boot out the story characters save for Agrias and Beowulf. Reason for that is I dislike how the story characters don't change their armor when they switch jobs, and I can easily make a character that surpasses Orlandu's sword damage and makes kills faster, effectively leaving him in the dust. I keep Agrias on standby when I feel like messing around, since I always build her like the traditional Knight, and put a Mantel on her so she doesn't get owned too hard. A mantel, a good shield, and a strong weapon (usually Save the Queen) turns her into quite the hardass especially when she has Counter.

Now I'm a pretty decent tank, the parties that actually function that I'm a part of tend to do very well, it's probably that I'm at the TP-burn kinda level now, but I've given up on trying to co-ordinate with the DDs. So just because the Paladin doesn't instantly cover a DD doesn't mean they are poor at the job.

The bolded area concerns me. The fact that at such a high level there are still retard parties just baffles me. For me the occasional good one is enough to make me want to keep playing through all the faggotry that exists on Bismarck (LS drama, etc.). Right now I run around with my own empty LS equipped to avoid such things, but it's so ronery sometimes. ; ;