What do Paladin's do wrong?

[Keon]

Re: What do Paladin's do wrong?

Don't hate me because I am perfect. Just kidding on that. Seriously, all races make good PLD. When it comes down to it you have to play to establish your own opinion. May we all kick ass and hold hate in our future parties.

/salute

[massaranger]

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Theres a reason why cure IV has more hate than Cure V ^^

[Armando]

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As far as NIN goes, past lvl 37 a party needs 1 tank. As a PLD I refused invites to parties that expected me to dual tank with a NIN and I have refuesed invites to parties as a NIN where I was told there was a PLD. There are other people seeking so make a proper party and let the NIN deal with being a Tank on his own and you do the same.

I didn't mean that part in the context of dual tanking (which isn't really such a bad thing, at least for me) but in the context of DD'ing. I mention NINs because while most NINs are content with their roles, there's always a handful of NINs that would rather be DD'ing. And it's not like they don't make good DDs when geared for it, either. I basically meant that if you're partying with a DD that has the means to mitigate damage well, then there's no reason to be in a rush to get the mob off of him/her immediately.

Everyone in a party pulls their own weight! RDMs refresh the PLD, that's part of their job, either the RDM or the WHM haste the tank that is pasrt of their job. Do PLDs get a thank you everytime they voke or flash?

Should've worded that better, too. I meant it in the context of common courtesy. Some PLDs like to go "zOMG REFRESH NOW!1." Sure, we don't get thanked every time we Provoke or Flash (just like I don't thank RDMs and WHMs every time they throw a Refresh/Haste at me) but good party members don't go "OH NOES PLZ TURN THE MOB" every time we lose hate either. I agree with you, though, Refreshing and Hasting us is part of their job and it's expected of them. That doesn't make me any less happy to have those things cast on me, though :3

And a good PLD recognizes when a THF is slow on his SATA and the 1st voker takes a huge pounding. As a PLD that was my most annoying and aggrivating situation. The 1st voker getting hammered because of a slow THF waiting on a little TP to SATA WS instead of just SATA. When a 1st voker is getting to orange HP I voke and then I have to listen to a THF bitch and moan I blew the SATA. Damn straight I did and I'll do it over and over again if you don't do it fast.
Several times I even told the THF go ahead and SATA onto the 1st voker and SC I'll get hate back. And I always did.

Very true. In situations like those I usually resort to Flash first (since it buys time without necessarily turning the mob) but I often get hate anyways D: Partying with good THFs is always a godsend though. I don't even need to use my MP to hold hate usually XD

PS > I thanked Armando because that's the best looking avatar I've seen in a long time. Can you share the full pic? (Please)

Haha, thanks. I figured that after three years it was about time I made one, and then I saw that the maximum size was 105 x 300 and went "Hmm... >3" Anyways, here you go:



P.S. What tags do I use to make those nifty little drop-down boxes people use to hide their images and spoilers in?

[Celeal]

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nice pic Armando ^o^!

[Vyuru]

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I am officially hijacking this thread.

That is an awesome picture, where did you find it?

[Armando]

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Haha, thanks ^^ It's my favorite out of the ones I have. I found it on 4chan in Anime & Manga. It's funny because it started as a Saber (from Fate/Stay Night) thread but it got hijacked into an Agrias thread. I did manage to stumble upon an Agrias thread in Anime/Cute before that as well. One of the pics even has Meliadoul (fanart of her is soooooo hard to find.)

If there's a unanymous agreement to temporarily hijack the thread I guess I could post the other stuff. Although I'd still like to know how to make those nifty open/close boxes D:

[Vyuru]

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Ohhh, Agrias and Princess Ovellia or whatever her name is, I thought they looked familiar. 4chan huh? I'll have to check them out. I like good fanart like what you have.

And by all means, please either hijack the thread for a little bit or make a new thread =^.^=

[eva00r]

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Any PLD that loses hate to a BRD, even through SATA, should be SHOT IN THE HEAD.

That's right. I said it. HEADSHOT.

Are you crazy ? BRDs can pull hate from a PLD within 4 loop of Mazurkas. The most hate generating job in this game isn't a PLD. It's a BRD. Each Mazurka is comparable to 1/2 Invincible.

Right now there are a lot of LS who are using BRD/NINs as a sub-tank to Fafnir.

[Lmnop]

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I thought I knew how to make a spoiler as I've done so in the past but apparently I hath forgotten...

Bard does have rediculous hate holding, it's true. But the only time a BRD would get hate like that is if they're trying. And that means they need shot in the head if it's exp. Also, this Mazurka issue is one that I feel needs fixed. It's bad enough that BRDs are the best buffers in the game and the best Crowd Control, mazurka makes them good tanks as well as swell kiters (hello giant hate boost and movement speed+).
All races are good at PLD. I used to feel that Mithra were actually the worst, since they had the same lower VIT as taru but none of the MP, nor the advantages of Hume. However, Shield Block updates and the fact that I now feel a good PLD remembers his damage potential have made me rethink that. So yeah, no more race debate please.
Paladins and their fetishes to never lose hate often cause bad effects. Like PLD knowing that monk and I are about to SC, so he pops 2-3 JAs right before I go. He only needed 1. but that would risk the mob turning for a swing or *gasp* 2.

[Armando]

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Well, since there were no objections: Thread officially temporarily hijacked. Here comes the first wave!
A rather sheepish-looking Agrias holds a two-handed sword.
Saber and Agrias side by side. The resemblance is amazing. Also, love the use of pastels in this.
A more serious-looking Agrias holding a sword with a Chibi Ovelia plushie attached to the pommel's ring. How cute!
Agrias prepares to draw her sword in battle.
Meliadoul and Agrias stand back-to-back looking at the viewer.

4chan huh? I'll have to check them out.

I have to warn you, 4chan is like the internet >.> You'll find lots of really awesome stuff, and stuff you wish you hadn't seen XD It's an image board site divided into many boards. Many are worksafe, some aren't. I get most of my fanart from /a/ (Anime & Manga) and /c/ (Anime/Cute). I should warn you about /b/ (Random), though. /b/ is NEVER worksafe. You'll find lots of hillarious pictures such as this and this, but people also use it to post random pics of porn and stuff. Also keep in mind that nothing - and I do mean nothing - is sacred in /b/, and nothing is to be taken seriously. A lot of the things you find in /b/ are funny, but would offend a lot of people (racial jokes are a favorite there, but don't be surprised if you find pics joking about Hitler, 9/11, or the KKK.)

Still, some of the things you find there really are priceless, espcially the motivational posters. /b/ is also where a lot of memes come from, like the whole Desu thing among other things. Also, people in /b/ love Azumanga Daioh (especially Yomi.) Saturdays are officially Caturday in /b/, and I should warn you that Friday is considered "Furry Friday." I also saw a Tomo Tuesday once, I very much enjoyed it XD You have been warned!

Also, the GIFs board isn't worksafe. You'd THINK it's worksafe, but people often post small, compressed porn clips, so...yeah. And no, the Sexy Beautiful Women board isn't worksafe either. In case you're not familiar with the terms, Yuri = lesbian hentai, Yaoi = gay hentai, and Ecchi is like softcore hentai. Also, the Hentai board is awesome if you're into that, but I should warn you against going into Hentai/Alternative. Every once in a while you may find a nice Catgirl thread or something, but 99% of the time it's just reeeeeeally weird stuff you wish you had never seen. I wouldn't recommend going into it unless you have some REALLY extreme tastes, or you're absurdly curious and have a very strong mind. Odds are even if curiosity gets the best of you, you won't want to go back in there.

Oh, yeah, Comics/Cartoons is the place to go to find awesome pics of American cartoons and comic book series. I've also found some very cool stuff in Origami & Papercraft. I think that's all you should know >.>

[Vyuru]

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Ecchi is like softcore hentai

Heh, I didn't notice the little ecchi word under my cursor when I clicked on the E category I was looking for Escaflowne fanart, I swear! My first thought was =o.0= followed by, "damn, nice nurse pic"

And no, the Sexy Beautiful Women board isn't worksafe either.

Depends on the job!

I'll have to look at it at the university computers, it's not exactly home/little sister friendly

Now I just have to hope that monday isn't the day when the university brings in all the little kiddies to show them where the big kids go to school


On another note I found this little avatar over on the rpgamer website!

[Kurb]

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Don't hate me because I am perfect. Just kidding on that. Seriously, all races make good PLD. When it comes down to it you have to play to establish your own opinion. May we all kick ass and hold hate in our future parties.

/salute

I agree with this all races do make good PLD's. But this beeing said in a party a PLD is only as good as his/her healer.A PLD may be able to heal itself but its there to take hate so it's magic wil be drained using cures and flashes.Therefore your healer's abilities will be needed.
Although the best way around this is to have a 2 PLD & RED party this I have found is great if you cannot find a WHM.1 PLD tanks as per normal the other PLD uses low lvl cures and high lvl protects.Red refreshes PLDs and helps heal.Ten the PLD's switch ....this I find is a great way to SC ever since the auto refresh option was given to the PLD job and serves me well espically in Kuftall tunnel.But i'm curious to know has anyone els tried this with success

[ItazuraNhomango]

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I agree with this all races do make good PLD's. But this beeing said in a party a PLD is only as good as his/her healer.

It depends; with RDM and BRD both in party, sometimes a PLD only needs a regen, some status removal -na's, and a few cures. I've played as RDM in that configuration in my static party before it broke, and on many occasions I skilled up elemental magic to pass time becase there were no need to cast cure for long stretches.

Although the best way around this is to have a 2 PLD & RED party this I have found is great if you cannot find a WHM.

This sounds interesting; what kind of food would the PLD use? Do they shift to more DD gear setup, or do both PLD's still rely on traditional defense food and gear?

[FranckKnight]

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Difference between Ecchi and Hentai is mostly by the amount of 'perversion' if you want. Ecchi will have cute girls in naughty outfits or nude, but ecchi will have the sex proper. You might like Hentai to Doujins, and Ecchi to to let's say Playboy magazine.

In that manner, I usually look into Ecchi before Hentai for pictures because they are alot more cute and varied overall.

/b - Random is the place that you need to have a strong sotmach (or avoid eating at the same time), because you'll find nasty stuff, but you also find pricessly funny pictures and memes. You just need to remember that /b is like the cesspool of the internet, anything goes and barely any rule apply, so you might as well just enjoy the pictures and ignore the posts as they are more or less idiotic, juvenile and useless of any content.

[TenchiHawkwing]

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4chan is the internet.

I usually spend my time on /a/ and /v/, I used to be a /b/tard, but not so much now... /e/ and /h/ and even sometimes I like to see what they have cooking in /d/(It's not as bad as they say, really!)

Those origami boards are pretty badass too, you'll find some awesome stuff in there.