Have I mentioned lately how much I love this job?

[Asir]

Probably not since only my LS gets to hear how much I love it repeatedly.

I had been asked to be a DD in a party this morning in the Dunes. The sad part was I didn't get to level. The great part was after the first Pugil, I became the tank. I swear, I never saw a NIN fall to Screwdriver so fast. He seemed to be a good sport about it but he didn't like being delegated down to a DD in the party. He left us after a few fights but I bet against the right mob, he would have been a great tank. One of the few NINs I've seen in the Dunes that actually use more then their shadows.

By my second Voke, no one could steal hate off of me. They tried... They really tried hard but to no avail. Well, there was that one Pugil they got hate off me with. But that was after I died because it was a satanic Pugil on Steroids. The WHM also died and the MNK nearly died because he wouldn't listen when I told him to run. I even blocked a Screwdriver with Parry or Shield, not sure which I just no it didn't hit me.

Did I mention I love this job? The excitement, the magic, the swords, the risk of death when no one can take hate off of you. I think at one point, our WAR even used Beserk + Mighty Strikes + Boost + some WS for a great sword and he still didn't take my hate. I wish I knew sooner how much I would love this job. If I'm getting this excited at level 18, I can imagine how much I'll love it even more as I progress through my levels.

Paladin

[Aeni]

Re: Have I mentioned lately how much I love this job?

Glad to hear it. Trust me, it gets more fun and wild on Qufim. Especially on Gigas. One thing you might want to do once on Qufim is to start synthing your own juices to get refresh effect. It works great on Qufim and even in the Jungles, before you get auto-refresh. PLDs do better than NINs at these levels, especially on mobs like Pugils and Goblin Smithies, the foulest of mobs you can find at low levels >.<

[dirtyclown]

Re: Have I mentioned lately how much I love this job?

If you already love the job at 18, you probably can't wait to get high enough to tank things that are twice your size, eh? Just remember, hate domination isn't always the best way to go. Once you get Flash you'll be able to go easier on hate generation without losing hold of it completely. Until then, have a wonderful time loling at your party members' futile attempts to pull hate off you.

[eva00r]

Re: Have I mentioned lately how much I love this job?

If you are playing with a nin, please never provoke the mob in the first place. NIN is a better tanker than PLD while he has shadows on. You should wait until NIN takes some damage then you provoke. This will reduce the amount of mages' mp usage and also the killing time. In any exp party, NIN is always a tank and PLD is a DD/Sub-tank. If you want to be a solo main tank, do not invite NINs. However, in any HNM party, PLD is always a tank.

[Aeni]

Re: Have I mentioned lately how much I love this job?

If you are playing with a nin, please never provoke the mob in the first place. NIN is a better tanker than PLD while he has shadows on. You should wait until NIN takes some damage then you provoke. This will reduce the amount of mages' mp usage and also the killing time. In any exp party, NIN is always a tank and PLD is a DD/Sub-tank. If you want to be a solo main tank, do not invite NINs. However, in any HNM party, PLD is always a tank.

LMAO ... wtf. Okay ... I'm not sure whether to continue laughing at this or weep at just how ridiculous this is.

[Desideratum]

Re: Have I mentioned lately how much I love this job?

If you are playing with a nin, please never provoke the mob in the first place. NIN is a better tanker than PLD while he has shadows on. You should wait until NIN takes some damage then you provoke. This will reduce the amount of mages' mp usage and also the killing time. In any exp party, NIN is always a tank and PLD is a DD/Sub-tank. If you want to be a solo main tank, do not invite NINs. However, in any HNM party, PLD is always a tank.

I hope to god you're not serious. Unless this is finely honed sarcasm?

[fallenintoshadows]

Re: Have I mentioned lately how much I love this job?

If you are playing with a nin, please never provoke the mob in the first place. NIN is a better tanker than PLD while he has shadows on. You should wait until NIN takes some damage then you provoke. This will reduce the amount of mages' mp usage and also the killing time. In any exp party, NIN is always a tank and PLD is a DD/Sub-tank. If you want to be a solo main tank, do not invite NINs. However, in any HNM party, PLD is always a tank.

Oh dear god, someone appears to have walked along and dumped a load of crap here! D:

But seriosuly, no no and more no.
I must stress the fact that it is not the job but the player that decides how good a job is. If I followed what you said I would of died a hundred times more! Sometimes you get bad ninjas and no, you shouldn't let them tank. Same goes with any job. I've seen wars tank better than some nins, I've seen plds tank better than some nins and there are nins who tank better than wars and plds. It all comes down to the player and how they tank, not their actual job.

[Mikalian]

Re: Have I mentioned lately how much I love this job?

If you are playing with a nin, please never provoke the mob in the first place. NIN is a better tanker than PLD while he has shadows on. You should wait until NIN takes some damage then you provoke. This will reduce the amount of mages' mp usage and also the killing time. In any exp party, NIN is always a tank and PLD is a DD/Sub-tank. If you want to be a solo main tank, do not invite NINs. However, in any HNM party, PLD is always a tank.

WTFO????

For the sake of all that is holy I hope you are kidding, or perhaps you were not dropped as a child but instead you were drop kicked? I agree that if you have a /NIN DD in the PT let him take hate first then voke or let a THF SATA onto you to save the mages some MP. But C'mon PLD as a DD?? At what level does this fantasy of PLD as DD/Back up tank occur? I solo tanked every mob I fought from the early dunes through to my current level and I have never used a NIN as anything other than a SATA partner and after 37 NIN becomes a very capable Solo tank and the primary competition for tanks slots from then on. Now I realise I still have some levels to go before I hit 74 and could even begin to think of being PLD/NIN to try being a DD, but if thats what your talking about you might want to specify that as the OP is talking about loving PLD as a tank at low levels.

/end rant
/wait 1
/Forum <Ready!> to be flamed out!!

[Balfree]

Re: Have I mentioned lately how much I love this job?

If you are playing with a nin, please never provoke the mob in the first place. NIN is a better tanker than PLD while he has shadows on. You should wait until NIN takes some damage then you provoke. This will reduce the amount of mages' mp usage and also the killing time. In any exp party, NIN is always a tank and PLD is a DD/Sub-tank. If you want to be a solo main tank, do not invite NINs. However, in any HNM party, PLD is always a tank.

Another quote hehe... all i wanted to say has been said though, but i just wanted to emphasize the serious lack of knowledge in this post, this is valk were talking about, PLD >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NIN in valk as a tank, and in my honest opinion, its better than NIN all the way to 75, im a black mage, NIN tanks are another way to say "we dont like BLM in our pt", atleast i can do my job if its PLD tanking, rarely if ever will a NIN hold my magic burst damage, and if the mob happens to crit on me, im more than half dead. Oh and if the PLD is taking a beating and then both WHM and RDM are low on MP, consider getting competent mages.

I've main healed as the only mage in bibiki bay alot, with paladins and ninjas, and i never had a problem. No, my set didnt have a refresher or a tank, so thats why i had to main heal alot, in case you wanted to know.

Hurrah for PLD tanks! NIN only became a tank because WHMs wanted to relax while exping, its the sad truth ^^.

[Mikalian]

Re: Have I mentioned lately how much I love this job?

Hurrah for PLD tanks! NIN only became a tank because WHMs wanted to relax while exping, its the sad truth ^^.

/bow

Also would like to add that NIN became a Tank because there seems to be a bunch of spoiled rotten RDM's in the mid levels who think that a four person Refresh cycle (PLD, RDM, WHM, BLM) is way too tough. I have personally PT'd with a RDM who was able to maintian a sane and sensible five person refresh cycle (PLD, PLD, RDM, BLM, BLM) sixth person was a SAM and before you ask about 4.5k an hour in the Tree fighting spiders. AM MB + Cover FTW!!! Then again I have also PT'd with RDM's who think the Taru DRK that isn't spamming spells should be higher in the refresh order than the Galka/Elvaan PLD.

[DakAttack]

Re: Have I mentioned lately how much I love this job?

/bow

Also would like to add that NIN became a Tank because there seems to be a bunch of spoiled rotten RDM's in the mid levels who think that a four person Refresh cycle (PLD, RDM, WHM, BLM) is way too tough.

Also: White Mages who HATE healing.

[Desideratum]

Re: Have I mentioned lately how much I love this job?

I don't mind a four or even six person refresh cycle, but if I have to Refresh/Haste and main heal too (like I did this morning), I start to get a bit frustrated. That said, I do my Paladin tanks (not that I see them all that much these days).

[Celeal]

Re: Have I mentioned lately how much I love this job?

If you are playing with a nin, please never provoke the mob in the first place. NIN is a better tanker than PLD while he has shadows on. You should wait until NIN takes some damage then you provoke. This will reduce the amount of mages' mp usage and also the killing time. In any exp party, NIN is always a tank and PLD is a DD/Sub-tank. If you want to be a solo main tank, do not invite NINs. However, in any HNM party, PLD is always a tank.

Before level 37, it is possible to "share-tank" between PLD + NIN in exp. party, and works out fine. Either the PLD pulls hate when NIN's shadow is down, or NIN tank first 6 shadows and PLD tank rest of the fight. If there is a link during the exp. session, PLD + NIN can split the job for emergency-tanking.

At low levels, when healers have a limited resource for healing, damage dealers have limited ability to pull the hate threshold, tanks have limited tool to hold hate and damage reduction, there is nothing wrong with combine forces, like PLD + NIN party. The mindset is different from solo-tanking party, but it is only a different way for getting experience points.

However, it does not work if the PLD + NIN start a mob-pissing contest

It really depends on how the players utilize the job: Tank's skill and party members' cooperation.

Hey, sometimes a weird party setup works too

[Davitron3000]

Re: Have I mentioned lately how much I love this job?

Before level 37, it is possible to "share-tank" between PLD + NIN in exp. party, and works out fine. Either the PLD pulls hate when NIN's shadow is down, or NIN tank first 6 shadows and PLD tank rest of the fight. If there is a link during the exp. session, PLD + NIN can split the job for emergency-tanking.
At low levels, when healers have a limited resource for healing, damage dealers have limited ability to pull the hate threshold, tanks have limited tool to hold hate and damage reduction, there is nothing wrong with combine forces, like PLD + NIN party. The mindset is different from solo-tanking party, but it is only a different way to getting experience points.
However, it does not work if the PLD + NIN start a mob-pissing contest
It really depends on how the players utilize the job: Tank's skill and party members' cooperation.
Hey, sometimes a weird party setup works too

Good post.

Paladin can fill a duo tanking role with a Ninja at the early levels. If you have a problem with duo tanking just let the leader know and find a party you can solo tank. I personally would take the party and try to get through the dunes as fast as I can

Working together with the members of your party no matter what jobs they are, having fun, and getting experience points > always having to get the "optimal" jobs for the "uberestest" party.

[Karinya]

Re: Have I mentioned lately how much I love this job?

Ninja is also a great puller when someone else is tanking. I did that quite a bit in the jungles - ninjas below level 37 really, really don't want to tank mandies.

And with all the errors in eva00r's post that have already been pointed out, you somehow all missed this one: many HNMs make ninja tanks mandatory. Not all, but quite a lot. No PLD is going to survive ash dragon's super-curse (reduces your max hp to about 25% of normal) and 1000 damage aoe 2 seconds later, for example; but the aoe can be absorbed by shadows and ash dragon's normal attacks are ultra slow, so it's no problem for a NIN. Well, usually.