Taru pld endgame tanking...

[Stooky]

Im not even near 75 but as a tarutaru I have some worries. I have heard from a few places that 1.5k hp is recomended for HNM tanking. Yeah theres other stuff to do besides HNM endgame but HNM is what I am mainly looking foward to it.

Well I guess I want to know is how to get the gear to get 1.5k hp and how to get gear that is from a HNM without tanking it, or atleast main tanking it. And if i get all that hp gear will I feel gimped to lets say a elvaan pld that can wear +emnity and what not and not have to worry about there HP as much. Also I want to know what a taru would need for this...

Yeah I am not near this but when I learned of this I got worried I guess... People always say race does not matter but It matters in what gear you chose to wear which can change the performance of your jobs potential. Recently I have been considering making a Elvaan or somthing PLD instead of my Taru which is somthing I normaly would not even consider...

I just want to know if once I hit endgame if I put by self into a rough road by chosing to be a tarutaru PLD...
-Stooky

[Icemage]

Re: Taru pld endgame tanking...

Im not even near 75 but as a tarutaru I have some worries. I have heard from a few places that 1.5k hp is recomended for HNM tanking. Yeah theres other stuff to do besides HNM endgame but HNM is what I am mainly looking foward to it.

1.5K HP is definitely a good number to shoot for in a lot of activities, and yes, it's a challenge.

Well I guess I want to know is how to get the gear to get 1.5k hp and how to get gear that is from a HNM without tanking it, or atleast main tanking it. And if i get all that hp gear will I feel gimped to lets say a elvaan pld that can wear +emnity and what not and not have to worry about there HP as much. Also I want to know what a taru would need for this...

Hmmm.. you need a lot of HP gears. Koenig is nice, but unless you're in a very elite HNMLS you're never going to see some of the pieces, particularly the Koenig body piece (Martial Abjuration: Body) which only comes from Nidhogg.

Tarutaru RSE gloves are +65HP. Bomb Queen Ring is +75 HP. Taru RSE Earring is +35HP. Cassie Earring is +50HP. Gigant Mantle is +80HP. Plus you can eat pasta dishes for food, which add quite respectable amounts of HP (I can tip the scales around 1200HP as a WHM if I eat Carbonara, for instance).

Are you going to lose out on some enmity in the process of all this? Probably. But you also have a larger pool of MP to work with, so you also have a larger battery to build hate with.

Yeah I am not near this but when I learned of this I got worried I guess... People always say race does not matter but It matters in what gear you chose to wear which can change the performance of your jobs potential. Recently I have been considering making a Elvaan or somthing PLD instead of my Taru which is somthing I normaly would not even consider...

I'll be totally honest with you and say that, at end-game, Taru PLD/WAR does lose out compared to other races unless you have amazing gear. You can still tank, but not quite as well, and no amount of gear will totally balance the scales for you because you've got something like 300 base HP to make up for against a Galka PLD, and that's pretty hard to do unless you really go after the best stuff you can possibly lay your hands on.

This is speaking as someone who watches PLDs like a hawk for the past 3 years as a WHM and BRD in main tank parties.

Now, if your setup is using PLD/NIN (yes, this IS viable, but you need a really good crew and smart tactics to use it, and it isn't usable in every fight), Taru PLD/NIN isn't at nearly so much of a disadvantage. But while you're blood tanking, max HP is your primary stat, period.

I just want to know if once I hit endgame if I put by self into a rough road by chosing to be a tarutaru PLD...

God's honest truth: Yes, you have.


Icemage

[Stooky]

Re: Taru pld endgame tanking...

Thanks alot Icemage. For the fact I do not want to do pld/nin tanking im just sort of worried on what to do. My freind did not even mention the fact I will have trouble with this as a tartaru till I asked him today.
Well Icemage thanks for being honest heh, I may make a New charachter and be a elvaan, I like playing PLD alot but I dont want to make my self more trouble than needed. But who knows I may stay Tarutaru.
Well Thanks again Icemage!

[Icemage]

Re: Taru pld endgame tanking...

I don't want to discourage you completely. Taru PLDs tank fine when properly equipped (hell, there's two Taru PLD75s in my LS who have full Koenig and they're a terror to behold on the battlefield). Even so, you really do have to work extra hard to keep up, and you'll never hit those ridiculous 2000HP totals that a Galka PLD can get to.

Personally, I found Tarutaru HP so demoralizingly low at end-game that I am considering levelling my Galka mule to serve as my tank option if I ever get around to wanting to tank instead. It just makes a lot more sense than hunting down dozens of situationally good items.

As a side note to anyone who says that gear swapping can alleviate some of these issues, I'll counter the thought ahead of time by saying that the thing I hate most as a WHM at end-game is tanks who swap armor pieces around and vanish (making me lose target on them while attempting to cast a spell), which is potentially fatal. You simply cannot gear-swap armor pieces as a tank very often and expect to survive at end-game.


Icemage

[Stooky]

Re: Taru pld endgame tanking...

Yeah I know I will have to work harder for to be a good tarutaru tank, but I am just conserned. I may or may not make a new charchter and see if theres a big difference even in just leveling. I dont know, never been able to decide things well and now a new decision heh... If I make a new charchter, I could level a DD or somthing on my taru, lol well this is somthing I have to decide.
Well Icemage thanks again, I just hope I can figure out what im going to do! ^^"
-Stooky

[bside]

Re: Taru pld endgame tanking...

Taru PLD75/WAR37 has a base HP of 1040. In order to reach 1500, you have 460 to go. But honestly speaking, 460 isn't a difficult number, provided that you eat Pescatora (Max of 150+ HP, and DEF up too) everytime you tank HNM's.


Taking those difficult-to-get gears out of equation;

Pescatora (150)
Full AF set (73)
Rosenbogen (10)
Tempered Chain (20)
Gigant Mantle (80)
Sattva Ring (30) (Swap w/ something else if you get another ring)
Bomb Queen Ring (75)
Pigeon Earring*2 (20*2)
Steppe Sash (60)

These give 538+ HP, bringing the total to 1578. You can merit for another 80 on top of that if you want. You can also swap the back piece for High Brth. Mantle to get +5 in Enmity in exchange for 42 in HP against Gigant, while Enchantment is on.


But the bottom line is, it's your player skill that counts the most.

[Loial]

Re: Taru pld endgame tanking...

You could get a bloodbead ring, +50hp, -10mp, 2def. I think someone happened to post information about that ring recently Intruder Earring is also a reasonable pickup.

I wouldn't be overly concerned about it. The only big danger a taru faces... is they have less of an hp buffer than other races. If you get interrupted when curing too many times, then your MP advantage just got thrown out the window. But, tarus can do just fine if they focus on HP.

[Weeeekujata]

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remmeber only use the RSE belt, rest use AF. Hands RSE have very low defense and no enimity.

Anyways if you have the will, some common sense, and a decent ls, you can tank no problem on paladin taru.

1.5k is always my optimal HP for nin or pld, around there is what i consider my safety zone or comfort zone. After tanking a lot, people will get used to you, you will get used to yourself, and it gets easier.

[Stooky]

Re: Taru pld endgame tanking...

Thanks lol... I may stay taru I have not decided. Im awful at deciding things so this will still dwell on my mind for some time even though I understand That I can do it fine, just need other gear and what not... But I dont know.
Thanks!
-Stooky

[Omni]

Re: Taru pld endgame tanking...

stooky,

I know you have been having a hard time deciding on everything. I dont blame you, theres tons to decide on in this game. However, please keep in mind that, anyone can do anything in this game and do it well. This game lets you adapt pretty well.

I started playing nin long before nin was mainly used as tanks. At that time, no one ever thought of a taru being main tank. Heck, my friend's first mule was a taru, jokingly called 'maintank'.

My point being, stick it out. You wont ever know how things are if you havent actually progressed far enough through the game to understand and experience how things work.

If you like being a taru and you like being a pld, do it. weeeeee is a taru pld and he has a large thread on taru paladin tanking if you ever want to know all about tarudins.

Dont worry so much about stats, just worry about doing your best at your job. I feel that players that tend to play jobs that are not 'made' for them tend to be better at their job than others. They try harder, they are more attentive and they have more pride in what they do. Having 1500 hp is not the make it or break it line. It's what is generally comfortable for most players but that does not mean that if you have 1300 hp youre going to be suffering greatly at all your tanking opportunities.

Stick it out stooky, and see how much of a hate whoring paladin a taru can be.

[Aeni]

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Not like anyone cares, but Taru PLD = god. <-- shameless plug.

BTW, where's Beowulf?

[DakAttack]

Re: Taru pld endgame tanking...

It's easy enough these days to stack on Defense and Vitality, that's for sure. In EXP parties your low HP is offset by your high MP, so it's not a bad trade. During HNMs and such you can stack up on HP just like any other tank, if not more easily.

[Icemage]

Re: Taru pld endgame tanking...

BTW, where's Beowulf?

If you're talking about Beowulf who was posting from waaay back in FFXI beta, he came back to the game several months ago but then quit again (I'm guessing due to financial strain, but that's second-hand). He played on my server, and I got the story from someone who had lent him a bunch of good items before he quit without returning the borrowed gears.


Icemage

[Aeni]

Re: Taru pld endgame tanking...

If you're talking about Beowulf who was posting from waaay back in FFXI beta, he came back to the game several months ago but then quit again (I'm guessing due to financial strain, but that's second-hand). He played on my server, and I got the story from someone who had lent him a bunch of good items before he quit without returning the borrowed gears.


Icemage

>.<

Yes, that Beowulf (Cactuar/Midgardsormr) He got "wed" to Berry in Beta if I remembered correctly.

He was one of the better PLDs that I partied with and he was a Taru to boot.

[Theyaden]

Re: Taru pld endgame tanking...

Thanks alot Icemage. For the fact I do not want to do pld/nin tanking im just sort of worried on what to do. My freind did not even mention the fact I will have trouble with this as a tartaru till I asked him today.
Well Icemage thanks for being honest heh, I may make a New charachter and be a elvaan, I like playing PLD alot but I dont want to make my self more trouble than needed. But who knows I may stay Tarutaru.
Well Thanks again Icemage!

Is it only tanking you want to do in the HNM's or is it taking part in them generally?
I'm currently leveling both mage and meele jobs so I have multiple options. I'ld try the taru tank for an HNM if you can get a shell willing to give you a tryout to see what you can do. Failing that whitemages are always in demand which your high mana low hp is ideal for as well as blackmage which taru have the highest intelegence stat and still holding high mana without scrapping for as much special gear to reach the HNML requirements.