A DD/healer role experiment

[Maju]

Today I made a PT where I was in a DD/healer role.



Maju: 74PLD/WAR
Ravion: 75NIN/WAR
Thandere: 75WAR/NIN
Megazero: 75WAR/NIN
Sagiri: 74BRD/WHM
Allowei (not visible in parse): 74BRD/WHM

As you can see it's quite a TP burn. We camped at the Jade Sepulcher zone in Bhaflau Thickets. Our highest XP/h without exp rings according to Expwatch was ~11400/h.

My DD gear for TP building:
Company Sword
Tariqah
O-hat
Royal Guard's Collar
Assault Earring
Haubergeon
Royal Knight's Mufflers
Sniper's Ring
Venerer Ring
Life Belt
Royal Knight's Breeches
Psilos Mantle

For WS (Vorpal Blade) I switched in a Ruby Ring and a Sun Ring. At first I also switched Life Belt out for Warwolf, but I felt my Vorpal accuracy suffered too much from it.

Food used: Sis Kebabi
Songs played by BRDs: 2x Minuet, Madrigal, March


I think I did quite alright. I'm still missing some pieces from my DD kit because I ran out of gil (damn you AH undercutters who make selling things impossible!), so I might have better gear next time. I was also the only L74 melee in the PT while the other melees were 75 with merits.

[Davitron3000]

Re: A DD/healer role experiment

Nice job. I have yet to even come close to those kinds of numbers of experience points per hour.

I got a few questions:
So basically, you were the main healer? Do you think a Galka could do this with a similar party set up, or do you think I would struggle with my mp pool?

[Jei]

Re: A DD/healer role experiment

wow 2 Brd. 4 songs? add a cor and that will be uber fun.

[Aeni]

Re: A DD/healer role experiment

wow 2 Brd. 4 songs? add a cor and that will be uber fun.

That COR better be up to par with DD otherwise adding a COR is redundant. for TP burn. You mean swap one of the BRDs for a COR.

[Icemage]

Re: A DD/healer role experiment

Nice job. I have yet to even come close to those kinds of numbers of experience points per hour.
I got a few questions:
So basically, you were the main healer? Do you think a Galka could do this with a similar party set up, or do you think I would struggle with my mp pool?

Bear in mind that Maju had TWO BRD/WHMs for backup though. Replace one of the Bards with a RDM, and I think you'd be fine with just a bit of gear to boost MP - maybe just Dune Bracers or a Desert Rope. Anything that pushes you up around 250MP should be more than adequate - enough to cast a couple Cure IVs in an emergency with a bit of extra leeway.

I've personally earned 14K+/hr with a PLD/NIN in TP-burn, though I was playing RDM at the time. The XP numbers speak for themselves as far as the naysayers who say PLD/NIN will gimp a TP-burn. Even though the damage output from PLD/NIN isn't spectacular, it doesn't have to be because you're doing something more important - keeping chains alive. I consider the damage to be gravy.


Icemage

[Maju]

Re: A DD/healer role experiment

Bear in mind that Maju had TWO BRD/WHMs for backup though. Replace one of the Bards with a RDM, and I think you'd be fine with just a bit of gear to boost MP - maybe just Dune Bracers or a Desert Rope. Anything that pushes you up around 250MP should be more than adequate - enough to cast a couple Cure IVs in an emergency with a bit of extra leeway.

Neither of the bards ever sung Ballad, though, so I always had the melee songs only. The other one was always busy pulling and the other one would melee with us. Sometimes I would retreat from the fight and sit down to regain MP, but I didn't have to do it very much.

[Davitron3000]

Re: A DD/healer role experiment

Thanks for that info. I don't do many experience parties on my Paladin anymore, but occasionally I need to get my buffer up there or I just feel like trying to get merits.

Maju, I have also done parties where I was the pseudo DD/tank as a Pld/War. I basically tried to balance DD gear, Enmity gear, and Shield Skill. (this may have been talked about on here before, so sorry if it has) My idea was to try to use a balance of + enmity backed with some DD gear to help hold hate, and as much + Shield as I could use to help my gain TP. We fought Trolls and it worked really well for me. I don't know exact experience per hour but it was on the better merit parties I have been in.

My gear set up was:

Head: Optical Hat
Hands: Gallant Gauntlets
Body: Haubergeon
Legs: Galliard Trousers (nice + acc and free if you farm pop item)
Feet: Gallant Leggings
Earrings: Suppa/Buckler ( + shield and + sword skill )
Rings: Sattva/Hercules
Weapon: Company
Sub: Keonig (for the + enmity and more shield blocks over Tatami)
Ranged: Rosenbogen
Ammo: none
Waist: Warwolf
Back: Boxers Mantle

I have a couple of shield merits also, so with a fairly high shield skill and decent acc (I used sole sushi also) I was able to build tp fairly fast. My party was somewhat suprised with my hate holding and tp building with this set up.

[Weeeekujata]

Re: A DD/healer role experiment

if your brd are given you 2x minuet & 2x march, just take out kinkonbo when you need mp, get 100 tp once and spirit taker, and switch back to your sword, you will never have to rest

[Maju]

Re: A DD/healer role experiment

if your brd are given you 2x minuet & 2x march, just take out kinkonbo when you need mp, get 100 tp once and spirit taker, and switch back to your sword, you will never have to rest

Good idea. Unfortunately I don't have any staff skill.

[Maju]

Re: A DD/healer role experiment

Another go:



Amara: 75WAR/NIN (had a Ridill and was in every way pimped out)
Maju: 75PLD/WAR
Toyonyo: 75NIN/WAR
Ainak: 75WAR/NIN
Wilza: 75RDM/BLM
Allowei (again not in parse): BRD/WHM

My gear was otherwise the same as before except I managed to get myself a Minuet Earring. I was again eating Sis Kebabi.

This party was a pain in the ass to parse since members changed so frequently. I forgot to stop parsing every time someone was replaced so I had to scrap lots of good data. That is why this parse comes from only 12 fights.

We camped at the troll fortress in Mount Zhayolm. Unfortunately they did not pop fast enough so we peaked around ~9k/h without exp rings.

The presence of Amara clearly had an effect on my damage dealt percentage. As a nice little detail I cured more than the RDM.

It's quite obvious that this type of PT is more or less superior to one where the PLD is tanking. Sure, you can come close tanking but in the end a TP burn always wins. It's pretty sad, really.

[Icemage]

Re: A DD/healer role experiment

Another go:
Amara: 75WAR/NIN (had a Ridill and was in every way pimped out)

Amara is(was? haven't seen him in a while) in ParadiseOblivion, formerly one of the best HNMLS on Midgardsormr. His gear is very good (and if you think his WAR gear is good, ask him to show you his PLD gear sometime ).

It's quite obvious that this type of PT is more or less superior to one where the PLD is tanking. Sure, you can come close tanking but in the end a TP burn always wins. It's pretty sad, really.

Truth. Anyone who doubts that Utsusemi is a game-breaking mechanic is welcome to show me what sort of PLD-blood tanking XP party can make chain 100+...


Icemage

[Raydeus]

Re: A DD/healer role experiment

Game-breaking mechanic only for those who want the same amount of xp as burn parties, normal parties keep working like usual (around 6-8k/hr without xp ring).



Btw, these setups look like fun.

So PLD becomes a DD/healer in this kind of setup huh? Not my kind of party as a PLD but it would be fun to try if I ever wanna go DD.

[csBahamut]

Re: A DD/healer role experiment

I keep collecting gear to do these kinds of parties, but I never get invited to DD as /NIN. Usually I'm invited to tank. Then I go with the DD/tank setup and PLD/WAR.

Main: Joy-toy
Sub: Koenig Shield
Ranged: Bibiki Seashell
Head: Valor Coronet or O-hate. Depends on how hard I get hit, and whether I can use meat or not. I swap in O-hate for WS.
Neck: Shield Torque, Soil Gorget for WS
Earring 1: Etheral Earring
Earring 2: Kinght's Earring, Hospitaler's Earring for cures
Body: Byrnie or Haubergeon. I prefer Byrnie with sushi. I just don't feel my acc is enough with meat. I have an RPG curse where my acc always sucks. Valor Surcoat for Cover. I'd like a Hecatomb for WS.
Hands: Homam. Tarrasque Mitts for WS. I'd like Hecatomb to compare with WS.
Ring 1: Sattva ring
Ring 2: Woodsman Ring. I don't swap rings for WS while tanking.
Back: Boxer's Mantle or Amemt+1. Depends on how hard the mob hits. Amemet swapped in for WS.
Belt: Swordbelt+1, Lifebelt, or Warwolf. Depends on the situation. I don't swap in this slot when tanking. I want a Swiftbelt, with Swordbelt+1 or Warwolf for WS.
Legs: Valor Breeches.
Feet: Gallant Leggings. I swap in Hecatomb for WS.

I'd also like to give Homam pieces a try in the head, legs, and feet slots to see if the speed, along with using meat, would be even better.

For PLD/NIN DD'ing:
Main: Company
Sub: Joy-toy
Ranged: bibiki Seashell still >.>
Head: Homam. O-hat for WS (I'll never be able to get Heca cap). My acc curse prevents me from ever having enough acc.
Neck: RG Collar. I'd like a Fortitude torque. I have Soil Gorget for WS.
Earring 1: Etheral Earring
Earring 2: Brutal Earring, with Hospitaler's for Cures
Body: Byrnie and Hauby. I'd use Hauby more if I have more Homan. I'd like Hecatomb for WS.
Hands: Homam. Tarrasque for WS, but I'd rather have Hecatomb.
Ring 1: Woodsman ring. Ruby for WS.
Ring 2: Venerer Ring. Ruby for WS.
Back: Amemet+1
Waist: Swordbelt+1 or Lifebelt. Typically Sushi+Byrnie+Swordbelt+1. I'd liek a Swiftbelt. Warwolf for WS.
Legs: Valor Breeches. I want Homan, with Valor being WS swap.
Feet: Valor Leggings. I haven't got Amir do to lack of Assaults, and I'm holding off for Homan, since I'd toss Amir after getting Homan. I have Hecatomb for WS already.

I'd also like to see just how fast a PLD/WAR with Joy-toy and Homan could attack pimped out in haste. I helped with an NM once, and got double march(haste song) and haste.. With just my one piece of homan, any double attacks made me look like I had hundred fists on. It was crazy.

[Davitron3000]

Re: A DD/healer role experiment

I would like to see the attack speed of a Pld/nin with Homan, dual wielding Justice Sword and Joyeuse Fun times.