Paladins a doomed job?

[Irisjir Callard]

Re: Paladins a doomed job?

As a whitemage, I prefer a paladin tank to a ninja tank.

Reason A. PLD is the only job I trust to absolutely hands down be able to pull hate off me in ANY situation. Even before the shadow update, hate with a NIN has always been slightly shaky.

Reason B. If I run out of MP, a PLD can handle cures for a short time mid-battle while I rest.

Reason C. A lot of PLDs at my level, entering endgame, are completely proficent at being main healer in a PT, without a whitemage at all. My presence just means the total elimination of downtime, which means constant chain 5 and EXP that just can't be beat.

Not to mention, once Utsuemi goes down, a ninja is pretty much a paper tank. A PLD without MP can still soak massive amounts of damage.



Basically, while I find myself having more and more ninja tanks, I also find myself in more and more stressful party situations. Between hasting and flashing to keep the NIN's shadows up, I don't get as much rest time as with a PLD, and every fifteen minutes the chain has to break for my MP. I also feel that I have less leeway within my own job with a ninja standing between me and the monster.


Bottom line? I would hands-down rather have a PLD than a NIN. But I'm just the whitemage, nbody ever asks me.

[durecellrabbit]

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Pld seems very popular to me, my friend's got his Pld to lvl54 in a month and I've not been on really for two week so I expect him to be lvl60+ by the time I get my internet fixed. He never waited long for invites and most people I've played with prefer a Pld tank. I just assume that the amount of people availible for a party decrease as you lvl up.

[Thrasher]

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Two party's recently I have watched nin get one shoted by enemy's (and one of them was even doing a good job holding hate from a ranger/war and my dark knight). And yes I have experienced redmages and bards to lazy to play in a paladin party, and frankly if they cant be bothered to refresh a paladin then they are nothing more then leeches that dont deserve experence points. (Sorry but I have to be flexable with my job they should be too)

And I think of it this way, with a paladin good damage dealers can go all out. So I think paladin is far from dead.

[Raydeus]

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I just assume that the amount of people availible for a party decrease as you lvl up.

Yup, that too.

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[Maju]

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Bottom line? I would hands-down rather have a PLD than a NIN. But I'm just the whitemage, nobody ever asks me.

I can see the problem with WHM as well. Since I've been fighting mostly colibri types lately I've not really invited many WHMs because a RDM is generally enough to keep the PT going infinitely, especially if I bring a BRD or a COR also. I simply assumed NIN parites pick up WHMs since they don't need the kind of MP a RDM can offer.

Anyway, I find it quite sad how everything is NIN nowadays. If you aren't a NIN main tanking for the PT, you're probably a DD/NIN. If every melee in the PT are /NIN you don't even need a tank at all.

[Dahlgren]

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Yeah, I didn't mean depend on Skill up and coffer mobs as the only resource for XP. Let me clear it up a bit. When you see someone who needs help with a key or Skill ups, don't waste time LFP when a couple thousand can be gained by nabbing the Garlaige key or helping some random Stranger get their Trial complete in Beaudeax. As the other Pally stated, It helps keep that buffer high. Hope that clears up my statement a bit.

[Macht]

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I can see the problem with WHM as well. Since I've been fighting mostly colibri types lately I've not really invited many WHMs because a RDM is generally enough to keep the PT going infinitely, especially if I bring a BRD or a COR also. I simply assumed NIN parites pick up WHMs since they don't need the kind of MP a RDM can offer.

Anyway, I find it quite sad how everything is NIN nowadays. If you aren't a NIN main tanking for the PT, you're probably a DD/NIN. If every melee in the PT are /NIN you don't even need a tank at all.

Why do you think I berate people online that start forcing me to go RNG/NIN. I'm actually getting sick of NIN I love playing RNG/WAR far more it fits my style and I do extreemly well with it. Been levels 1-65 as RNG/WAR without a problem, saved the party with the 2k-3k I've been able to get out in 1 attack cycle when needed.

Really since like 55 with a good PLD and RNG doesn't need to do RNG/NIN unless they it's just something were that Utsusemi is just unavoidable to have. I mean unavoidable in the essence that even the Mages have to use.

[Herrisa]

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But I'm just the whitemage, nbody ever asks me.

I always held to the truth that the PLD vs NIN hoopla would die down if people would only ask the tank experts: white mages.

General concensous about tanks from white mages:
We (white mages) have our prefrences, but both tank jobs have their benefits and disadvantages. Both are capable of excellent tanking if played with skill and intelligence.

This is, of course, my personal opinions on the matter and other WHM may hold different views.

As for the slow down at 70+... all jobs hit a slow down because, frankly, there aren't as many people. Plus you're getting close to the point where another tank enters the picture, war/nin, and others start having tankless parties, manaburns.

[Maju]

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Pld seems very popular to me, my friend's got his Pld to lvl54 in a month and I've not been on really for two week so I expect him to be lvl60+ by the time I get my internet fixed. He never waited long for invites and most people I've played with prefer a Pld tank. I just assume that the amount of people availible for a party decrease as you lvl up.

Yes, this is how it was for me too until about L60 when PLD suddenly became trash and everyone wanted NIN.

*EDIT*

I suddenly got a fabulous idea. I'll build a PT with NIN tank and me as main healer. I bet I'm better than WHM thanks to my auto-refresh. At least unless the WHM subs SMN. -_-;

[Kadenmire]

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AS a RDM myself I think of PLDs as big brother to my job. Only real diff between PLDs & RDMs is that we get more spells and they get heaver armour. Malee mages rule!!!

[Herrisa]

Re: Paladins a doomed job?

AS a RDM myself I think of PLDs as big brother to my job. Only real diff between PLDs & RDMs is that we get more spells and they get heaver armour.

Nor enfeebling spells... nor refresh.... nor convert... nor can red mages actually USE their divine skill...and, to top it all off, paladins get shiny armor that make the women go "oooo", while red mages get pimp armor that make the women go "Ah, gawd, not another street corner...".




Much 2 U

[Kadenmire]

Re: Paladins a doomed job?

Nor enfeebling spells... nor refresh.... nor convert... nor can red mages actually USE their divine skill...and, to top it all off, paladins get shiny armor that make the women go "oooo", while red mages get pimp armor that make the women go "Ah, gawd, not another street corner...".




Much 2 U

Your right I need armor that shows off my sexy ass!!! Someone help a red brother out!!

[Aeni]

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Mayu, you must have exceptionally good NINs. The last NIN I was with, died 3 times in one hour while we fought those evil Pucks. Not for lack of healing, mind you. I'm middle of casting haste on a DD and the other mage (BLM/WHM) is starting up a -ga for an MB. NIN doesn't let us know all shadows are stripped, Puck then goes and do his criticals that blows 800 of NIN's HP in a blink of an eye (Probably because the NIN had on Berserk)

Seriously, even fast cast merit couldn't save him in those situations... you just don't see that with PLD tanks.

[Khevn]

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Part of the problem is you believe that PLD is unscrutably a tank, with the right equipment you can put out impressive numbers in melee, get some gear and market your self and you could land a DD/support role and land more parties. Just a theory I have. I'm going to be presenting myself more that way after i get back from a class in Florida for two weeks. Guess my comment will read something like

PLD 75 War 37 Nin 37 flexible gear
Merit exp ok! ToA Sky Luf
Tank or DD Support, on all night (weekend) (long time) (whatever amount of time i can be on)

Hoping that might get me a boost in those merit parties I want! Hell with an exceptionally good nin, my MP pool might possibly be all the healing we need...

[Nazo]

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Yup, another whm vote for PLD tank here. I'd much rather the linear damage taken by a pld. Ninjas also render my favourite spells (Regen) much less effective, so yeah, more plds please. I don't think I've partied with more than 2 or 3 from 70-75.
I get the feeling SE likes plds and wants to make them more popular again so I'd expect more adjustments to the job (or possibley nerfs to Nin) soon.