Pld and hate

[Dadelon]

Messed around with pld for a few lvls,and decided to go ahead and take it to the max.
My question is what is the (proper) way to hold hate?.
Because when i lvld my war i got really mad when i lost the mobs attention.
I like to keep em centered on me only,unless i had a backup with voke ready.
Sure, i have cures,just got cure II so that helps alot.War subbed i can voke every
30 sec.
As a pld,when a fight begins ill voke the mob off the puller,hit it a few times,and
save my cures for me only.(is that right).
Our job is to grab hate,and hold it no matter what.
Seems to work in the dunes..with so much going on in battle,i am looking at three
things only.my puller,never took an eye off him/her.the mob,and my stats..
how do other plds do it...

[DrivenTooFar]

Re: Pld and hate

You don't have to save cureing for yourself only (quit being so selfish!) but if your the only one getting hurt then it makes sense to cure only yourself. Remember, cure gains hate on the amount of hp it recovers so you might have to switch who you heal if you want more hate. At your level there isn't much you can do besides Provoke and Cure but later on you'll get more hate holding tools such as Sheild Bash and Flash. Either way as long as you can constantly hold hate and not die too quickly then your doing a great job.

[Last_Viper]

Re: Pld and hate

Try to get every time the best (one hand) sword, more dmg more hate.
Same for armor. Lower dmg taken, lower hate gone from you.
Rest when ever you can/need to.

There is nothing really much more you can do in the Dunes.
If you can afford it, take some juice with you, if not, no matter!

Have fun with pld

[Crode]

Re: Pld and hate

i try to provoke off puller wait 15 cast cure 1 or 2 depending on there health, Provoke, then cure myself if needed. I'm in Qufim now and I seem to hold hold hate well there with this Strat. Good luck with PLD.

[zorca]

Re: Pld and hate

Another thing to keep in mind is that hate generated by /ja (ie: Provoke, shield bash...etc) decreases over time but hate generated by cures and dmg you do to the mob does not.

This may not make much sense to you at your level, but its very important to understand how hate works if you want to be a good pld :D

[Dadelon]

Re: Pld and hate

Thank You, I wouldnt call it selfish to keep cures,so far havent lost

aggro but mabye a couple of times in them dunes,cure II on the one with
least hp took care of that.just got sheild bash.
Its just that im still a noob pld ill admit to that,just without a backup tank
i have to keep the mob and me locked in combat.but i am learning
thru trial and error,so far the ptys ive been in have said ive been
doing well enough to keep me around,but on the other hand a pt
in the dunes without a main tank aint gonna get much done.

anyway,thank you for the advice.keep it all coming!
ill use all suggestions and learn from them..

[lionx]

Re: Pld and hate

To me, i remember researching hate and there are two kinds, the Provoke kind is the kind that will decrease overtime no matter what, while the Cure/hits/whatever else is hate that will stay there. Being hit decreases hate however, so you must always fight for that hate. I personally when lvling PLD, try to keep hate consistantly going up, only using a /ja(outside of Provoke) to spike hate back to me.

I am sure theres better PLDs out there that can answer your question but remember, getting hit loses hate, while curing or attacking gives hate thats permanent(only you can lose it by getting hit), and job abilities gives spike hate that reduces over time regardless of what happens.

[Armando]

Re: Pld and hate

I believe the "permanent" hate does decrease over time, just very slowly, slowly enough to not have an impact on your tanking. But yeah, that's pretty much it. Because the hate from most JAs decays so quickly and eventually vanishes, I view it as "artificial hate;" something along the same vein as Cover - a tool to temporarily get the mob to hit you while you build some "permanent hate." Don't have a hard-set routine, though. Be flexible. If you have a lot of hate, why continue to waste MP when you can use it in future fights? Yes, you're saving the WHM some curing, but the WHM can sit mid-fight...you can't.

My advice is to have the highest DMG weapon available, use Cures as your HP goes down, Provoke when available, save Shield Bash/Sentinel for emergencies (no need to waste a 5-minute ability if you can turn the mob with a Cure II...) and ride that hate line. Don't be wasteful! Like I said before, there's no need to go overboard with curing. Be as conservative as possible, if the mob turns to someone else and it wasn't a major hate ability, just pop another Cure and continue to tank. MP is valuable, don't waste it.

Most importantly, remember that there are situations where the mob turning to someone else may actually be more beneficial, and also remember that you can't keep hate from everything. If the mob turns, it's not necessarily your fault. Hate management is up to everyone in the party, not just the tank. Oh, and one more thing...if someone uses an incredibly hate-spiking ability like Benediction, use Invincible to overwrite it.

Best of luck to you, and don't sweat it too much. As you go on you'll get a "feel" for how much hate you generate, how much the others generate, how lax you can be without losing hate, and what's the least-hate ability you can use to turn the mob in different situations. So just have fun, and holding hate will become second-nature to you ^^