Heal Others for Hate during Battle?

[Herrisa]

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I'm a 75 whm and I'm leveling pld for a break from main healer woes (I know, I know, I need help). I can't say enough about how much my whm experiences have helped out--not to mention my capped divine and healing --in managing hate. The only problem is switching from the mentality of doing everything to NOT get hate, to doing everything possible to GET hate.


On the plus side, I can say it's always good to see party dynamics from the "other side" so to speak. Man, I find over-curing whms frustrating.

[AngryUndead]

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I guess I'm too low (13) of a paladin to really get into that mentality. Of course, being galka.... yea.

"UGH CURE!!!!111"
Ugh casts Cure.
Ugh regains 3hp.
"Ugh brain owwie. Ugh sit down. Owwie bad monster! Why for you bite me?"

[Macht]

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I guess I'm too low (13) of a paladin to really get into that mentality. Of course, being galka.... yea.

"UGH CURE!!!!111"
Ugh casts Cure.
Ugh regains 3hp.
"Ugh brain owwie. Ugh sit down. Owwie bad monster! Why for you bite me?"

Stat wise I don't recall Galka's being the lowest in MND, think they were on INT. No brainer though that they are lowest on MP.

[Aeni]

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Macht, you're forgetting that job level (base MND) + Healing Skill = amount cured. You could be level 10 with 0 in Healing skill and won't be able to cure very much (It's not like You can add +40 to MND at that level anyway)

[AngryUndead]

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I was trying to make a funny.

My cures are doing close to 30hp per heal at that level. I know thats gotta be pretty good. Its the MP pool that pisses me off most. I cannot afford astrals or anything, and I'm not sure that RSE is a compeletely viable alternative while trying to tank. I'm also fairly sure that MP+ food might not be the best idea.

Of course Macline from my server and LS is a 75PLD on Carbuncle, and he is great. Once you work out the MP issues I guess it gets awesome.

[Macht]

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Macht, you're forgetting that job level (base MND) + Healing Skill = amount cured. You could be level 10 with 0 in Healing skill and won't be able to cure very much (It's not like You can add +40 to MND at that level anyway)

Healing Skill doesn't change by race, only by use. So any race starting with 0 Healing skill is relying on MND and MP really. I'm just saying that I do not recall Galka being the lowest in MND, if I remember right Taru had that honor even though Taru are highest in INT.

[AngryUndead]

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Check this out.

It does appear that Taru have less mind than Galka. The MP pool is what I take issue with.

At level 13 Paladin, no subjob. (yea yea, just going by the calculator)
Galka = 233HP/28MP (15MND)
Elvaan = 204HP/50MP (17MND)
Hume = 192HP/64MP (15MND)
Mithra = 194HP/64MP (14MND)
Taru = 152HP/106MP (14MND)



That just hurts my feelings. I don't think I could even come close to the Taru (without food) using all the gear that is available at that level. The Elvaan has almost twice the MP. However, the MND is easily made up in gear.

I know the traditional wisdom is Player > Gear > Race or whatever, but in these cases its pretty hard to overcome it, though many many dedicated galkas do.

[Armando]

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I think Elvaan have lowest INT, actually. I think Galka is only bad in the MP department, though I can't remember how their INT and MND stat are. In any case, don't Taru have the lowest MND?

Anyways, at least for Cure I - III, 1 MND = 1 more damage recovered, so it shouldn't be TOO big of a gap across the races. Macro in some +2 MND rings and a Justice Badge for cures and that ought to be good enough. Also, get a friend to tank some EM+ undead, Cure-nuke them to skill-up your Healing magic real quick.

[Macht]

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Check this out.

It does appear that Taru have less mind than Galka. The MP pool is what I take issue with.

At level 13 Paladin, no subjob. (yea yea, just going by the calculator)
Galka = 233HP/28MP (15MND)
Elvaan = 204HP/50MP (17MND)
Hume = 192HP/64MP (15MND)
Mithra = 194HP/64MP (14MND)
Taru = 152HP/106MP (14MND)



That just hurts my feelings. I don't think I could even come close to the Taru (without food) using all the gear that is available at that level. The Elvaan has almost twice the MP. However, the MND is easily made up in gear.

I know the traditional wisdom is Player > Gear > Race or whatever, but in these cases its pretty hard to overcome it, though many many dedicated galkas do.

If SE finds a way to keep it balanced and can uncap that 30 heal on a Cure it could make all the difference there in balancing races out on that one respect. Though if they do that Galka even with limited MP pool Elvaan still has him beat in both MP and MND.

[AngryUndead]

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Though if they do that Galka even with limited MP pool Elvaan still has him beat in both MP and MND.

But I'm Galka for LIFE! Seriously though, I think Galkas could stand to have at least some tiny bit of an MP boost. I mean, we're not even really looking at an even distribution. Taru have ~300% more MP than Galka at that level. Other races have around ~100%. I'm not saying that this makes them 100% more efficient or 300% at the job they do... but I bet it sure helps. Heck, I think EVERY galka paladin, ever, would be happy with one MP every other level. Or at least have the delta on the HP between races be similar to the inverse of the MP. (haha, yea right.)

I guess that shows you what a Galka's VIT is worth though. And thats only at level 13.

Level 75 ....
Galka = 1439HP/121MP
Elvaan = 1288HP/236MP (70MND)
Hume = 1167HP/312MP
Mithra = 1167HP/312MP
Taru = 940HP/540MP (58MND)

The percentage of MP gain is about the same, but dang. The MND difference is easily, again, overcome with gear... but MP. Thats nuts. The same goes for HP... but we know that 400MP is worth a good deal more than 500HP. Just saying. I wonder if our VIT makes up for that?

Sorry this has been a rant. This is why I stick to Monk.

[Slip]

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The "Galka Advantage" for Pld is that the double whammy of higher HP and higher Vit makes gives them a much easier time surviving the "Big Hits". This doesn't need to be HNMs only either. Pugils in the Dunes may only hit for 200 damage but if your tank only has 180 hp he's just as dead as if Kirin munched him.

One of the best Pld's I know is a Taru, but despite skill and a near bottomless mp pool I still remember him occasionally eating dirt to Jet Stream attacks. Galka's meanwhile not only have more hp to weather the storm with but will take less damage from it in the first place.

Overall it wouldn't be a bad thing for Galka's to gain more mp but there's definitely no reason to lose hope in them the way they are now.

[METDeath]

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Galka still can't raise without +mp or a mage sub though... which is a serious WTF...