Trouble Holding Hate

[DakAttack]

I'm level 24 tanking mandies in Kazham, and I'm starting to have trouble holding hate. It seems like healing myself holds no weight, and I never hit for more 20 damage. My sword and shield is capped, but that doesn't help. It was easier tanking as a War/Mnk because I didn't have to manage MP and holding the hate was as easy as hitting the damn monsters.

Any suggestions on how I can hold better hate? I used to use the Cache-nez but at this level I'd be missing out on 9 defense by using it.

[Rai]

Well, PLD does not shine until 37 and flash. It will get better at 30 with Sentinel. Until then get cooking up enough to craft juice or carry as many as you can to help with mp.

As far as hate goes I find it is best to grab as much hate in the beginning of a battle. Voke, Cure II, Cure II, Voke. Then another Cure II after your 2nd and 3rd Vokes. The good thing is that at those level if you do loose hate for a few seconds its not the end of the world. Any job should be able to survive a few hits from a Mandy.

[Wrath]

Its hard to hold hate in Kahzam, just make sure you voke every 30 seconds and cure cure cure, and shield bash when its ready

At 30 it becomes easier so you can alternate Sentinel and Shield Bash, and at 37 hate will be yours.

[modnar]

Modnar <<<< not a Paladin (only at lvl 11 atm).

But was just wondering, would using G.Sword instead of Sword be a good way to generate more hate (with the extra damage)? I am thinking that at lvl 24-30 that a tanking can survive enough without a shield. But again, I never done it myself and I know nothing about tanking as a Paladin.

[Evil Knight]

well this is just speculation but...... it might actually help less because of lack of shield bash.

i suppose you could switch out when the timer is us but that would say goodbye to any possible TP.

Of couse never been pld and mostly been whm so im not sure.

[Zymm]

you would be taking to much damage using a G.sword to tank, its best to stick with sword/shield or earth staff later on.

if you were to use G.sword you would be a mana sponge for the mages, not to mention since you would probably be using +vit equipment rather then +acc, you would miss a great deal using a G.sword, and missing = 0 damage which = no hate gained.

[modnar]

Originally posted by Zymm
you would be taking to much damage using a G.sword to tank, its best to stick with sword/shield or earth staff later on.

if you were to use G.sword you would be a mana sponge for the mages, not to mention since you would probably be using +vit equipment rather then +acc, you would miss a great deal using a G.sword, and missing = 0 damage which = no hate gained.

Not sure if your information is general (which it seems to be) or specific to 24-30 lvls. What you said is definatly true, but might not be of the same magnitude at those low lvls.

[JP_Ikari]

Originally posted by modnar
Not sure if your information is general (which it seems to be) or specific to 24-30 lvls. What you said is definatly true, but might not be of the same magnitude at those low lvls.

Anyway, as for what Zymm just said, it's relatively true. Unless you're a WAR using a GAxe, a PLD shouldn't be using a GSword to tank since the delays are bad, you barely have enough MP to support hate, you don't have Shield Bash (which is also a great hate tool), having a rating of B- on the GSword and Parry is C, makes the GSword useless and since we do crap for DMG, the WS's you get are practically useless as well. With the change on the shield blocking check, it's good to start leveling your Shield now (trust me).

That's why everyone is saying you should use a Sword/Shield at these levels cause of those reason. Read Rugals posts that's stickied in this forum. He'll even tell you, GSword doesn't realy shine until we're level 68/69 when we get Spinning Slash, and even then it's still up to the party you're in if they'll let you tank with a Gsword.

As for the original poster, eat crabs, drink juices and manage your mana wisely. It's always good to make another macro with /recast on your provoke, so you can see when your voke is ready again, without having those annoying /wait crap. Shield Bash is 5:00 recast so use that wisely. Again, voke, Cure, Cure, Bash, voke, or whatever your cycle is. But once you hit 30 you can switch off Bash and Sentinel and Cure II (providing you have some mana). I think i didn't start using Cure II's until 37.

JP

[DakAttack]

I use Cure 2 everytime I think I'm going to need it. I wish I had enough money to spend on food, that stuff is expensive.

[csBahamut]

I use Cure 2 everytime I think I'm going to need it. I wish I had enough money to spend on food, that stuff is expensive.

That would be the problem then. You're taking too much damage. (Most likely) Past level 20, you should always be using defense food. Try Boiled Crayfish, Nebimonite Bake, or Boiled Crab. You don't need to waste money on the HQ versions. If food doesn't solve your problem, then it could be one of your other party members (like a BLM or RNG) not holding back enough.

[LordBiGGs]

sword and shield is by far the best. pld damage sucks regardless no matter what weapon you use. sword and shield is actually most damaging once you get spirits within since its damage is based on current HP rather than attack or str. also i know i'm used in skillchains sometimes and sword can make some good chains, also A rating will give tp faster than GS. for example i had a pt with rdm, rdm, blm, sam, thf, pld. sam would do tachi: epni, thf would chain with dancing edge, distortion, both rdm's and the blm burst. sam meditates, uses epni again, i use vorpal blade, skill chain distortion, both rdm's and blm burst again. almost enough to kill an exp mob with just those chains (about 30 second battle.) with GS i would miss too much to get tp to ever skillchain

by using a GS and switching in sword for shield bash you would lose all your tp, definitely not a good idea.

also after the last patch my shield actually seems to be more effective. it doesnt cancel all damage, but it activates a lot more.

earth staff is only really useful vs HNM's. its ok in pt's once you get spirit taker, but you cant use it very often cuz you hit for 0 so much you dont get tp.

also enmity+ is added to each action you do. so the faster your weapon hits, the more enmity+ kicks in.

mostly of this is higher lvl stuff, but it applies to lower lvl's too.

[Hellbringer]

Re: Trouble Holding Hate

As far as food, fish mithkabobs are great at any level and you can buy them right in Kazham. Im not sure of your financial situation but they arent all that expensive(you can buy a stack for about 17K or so) Less damage taken=less hate lost. If that doest help just remember as others have said that at lvl 30 and then 37 holding hate becomes much more managable with sentinel and flash and gettin cure III is another major boost

[Jei]

Re: Trouble Holding Hate

This mantle is amazing, you'll be able to use it soon.
http://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/8049

About MP, on some PT set up you will have plenty especially with RDM and COR together ^^
Spamming Cure 3 become so easy with 6+MP a tick, so letting yourself get hit may not be too bad.

[Valrath]

Re: Trouble Holding Hate

Question is, who are you loosing hate to? If to a whm, ask him to easy back on the healing, if a blm, have him nuke a little less. If to a melee, meh, who cares. Anyone with good armor can tank them. Pre 37 is tough for pld/nin to tank as they don't have access to all their hate tools. Voking and curing is all you can really do to hold hate. Also, you may want to ease up on the vit and add some str. The extra damage you do should help hate a bit.

[ItazuraNhomango]

Re: Trouble Holding Hate

The original poster is probably way past the level by now, but what I did recently in Yuhtunga Jungle was to use defense food (boild crab), but switch in some accuracy, attack, and STR gear like Optical Earring, Beetle Earring +1, Battle Gloves, and Spike Necklace.

I even went as far as replacing one of the Stamina Ring with a Courage Ring, and down graded shield to size 1, hoping to deal more damage and take more damage. ^_^; I was also seriously considering switching to attack food like Dhalmel Pie, but the occasional Goblin aggro killed that idea.

Still couldn't hold the mob on all MB's or high damage SC closer, but it was better after changing the equipement a bit and the WHM stopped using Paralyze and Slow so I get hit more.