Swift Blade – Looking for updated Renkei Chart

[Sathington]

Does anyone have a renkai chart that shows Distortion followed by Swiftblade to create a Dark Renkai?

I usually check out Adennak.com, but the chart doesn’t seem to have that that info.

Or maybe im just blind and cant see it in the current chart.

http://www.adennak.com/renkei09.jpg

[csBahamut]

It's on there. Look at the 4 'types' in the upper righthand corner. The bottom right of those 4 is Distortion, then there's an arrow going to the bottom left(gravitation) with Swift Blade in it to create a Darkness renkei.

Adennak does a nice job with his charts.

[Sathington]

Hmm...

You actually see this WS chain on the chart?

Penta to Sidewinder to Dancing Edge to Swift Blade.

[imac2much]

Yes.

Penta is in the lower right corner. Sidewinder has 3 element slots, but Penta cannot chain with Sidewinder A, so it goes to Sidewinder B = Transfixion. Sidewinder B then chains with Dancing Edge A = Distortion.

Now look at the top right corner of the chart. Each of those 4 boxes has a lvl 2 skillchain attributed to it. The lower right part of those 4 boxes says Distortion (the box with Full Break, Cross Reaper, etc). Distortion then chains to Swift Blade = Darkness.

It's there, just takes a while to get used to it.

[Sathington]

Maybe I just don’t understand how to read the chart properly, but I thought whatever was in the top left box would create Distortion with the bottom right box and then you could follow up with a WS in the bottom left box for a Dark renkai. Vice versa.

[csBahamut]

Yes, they work like that too. As long as you go from any Distortion to a WS that has the Gravitation property, you will created Darkness.


Fragmentation <--------(Light created)--------> Fusion
or
Gravitation <--------(Darkness created)--------> Distortion

It doesn't matter how the first lvl 2 renkei effect is created, as long as the WS'es are going right from one lvl2 effect to another lvl 2 effect.

I guess having all the WS with lvl2 properties in the corner can make reading it a bit confusing, but it does its job still. Since most lvl 3 renkei are created by 2 WS chains, this makes it easy to read. It is also easy to read if you look at that upper right hand corner as a map based on effects. If you somehow created the distortion effect with say Skewer >> Dancing Edge, you get distortion. Distortion effect is the bottom right block of that lvl 3 renkei effects chart. From there, you can use a WS with a lvl 2 effect to created a lvl3 renkei. You can also do a 2 man chain. Starting with say, Tachi: Gekko, you get the distortion effect from the WS itself instead of actually making distortion happen. From here you can use Asuran Fists to created the Darkness renkei. Both ways created the lvl3 renkei because you are going from one lvl2 effect to another.

I hope that helps clear it up for you.

[Sathington]

Ya, its bit confusing, but I get what you saying, very interesting info.

Thx for helping me out

[Kurgan]

Advanced Renkei Chart

This chart is great for understanding how weapon skills link, and how level 2 and 3 renkeis are created.

[Sathington]

Thx Kurgan. I have actually found a couple of charts.

I find it odd that Paladins can do a Dark renkei.

Can anyone comment on the Light renkei with savage blade?

Is it more powerful then the dark renkei?

[imac2much]

Both lvl 3 skillchain effects have the same potential. The actual damage is dependent on whether the monster is resistant against dark or light, and how long the skillchain was.

For example, on bones it's best to use light; if you do heavy shot -> sata spinning slash, the light bonus will often be same damage as spinning slash damage. However, it's possible for the swift blade -> sata cross reaper skillchain bonus (darkness) to be same as cross reaper damage too... however it is just resisted more often (resulting in less bonus damage). In Boyahda in one of my better PTs, we had a DRG (yes, drg), and we would do wheeling thrust -> swift blade (gravitation) -> sata cross reaper (darkness), and darkness would do 1.5x amount of damage as cross reaper.... needless to say, things die fast.

So yeah, it depends on the monster, the length of skillchain, and whether you have threnodies up I think.

[csBahamut]

Oh, there's one thing about lvl 3 renkei's that I don't know yet.

Could you do say,
Impulse Drive >> Steal Cyclone (Darkness) >> Evisceration (Darkness)?

Not high enough to test it myself. I know lvl 1 chains can keep going like that, and I'm not sure if lvl2 chains can keep going either. Would pretty pretty neat if you could do a lvl3 to another lvl3.

[Kurgan]

Originally posted by csBahamut
Oh, there's one thing about lvl 3 renkei's that I don't know yet.

Could you do say,
Impulse Drive >> Steal Cyclone (Darkness) >> Evisceration (Darkness)?

Not high enough to test it myself. I know lvl 1 chains can keep going like that, and I'm not sure if lvl2 chains can keep going either. Would pretty pretty neat if you could do a lvl3 to another lvl3.

Theoretically you can chain renkeis that are the same level (e.g LV1 > LV1 > LV1; LV2 > LV2 > LV2; LV3 > LV3 > LV3) but there isn't a weapon skill that has a Level 3 effect. Only level 2 effects. So there's no way to chain together Level 3 effects since no weapons have a level 3 effect attribute. The general rule is you can't step backwards. You can't do Lv3 > Lv2 or Lv2 > Lv1 to keep the chain going. And obviously only certain WS link to each other in certain ways.

Take a look at the link I posted for the advanced renkei chart. You'll see how the level 2 effects link together.

In your example, if you were to do Impulse Drive >> Steel Cyclone, you would get Darkness, but if you added Evisceration to the end, you would get no other renkei effect.

The only way I see that you could link those weapon skills together and get more than one renkei effect would be to do:

Evisceration >> Steel Cyclone >> Distortion >> Impulse Drive >> Darkness

Evisceration has a primary effect of Level 2 Fragmentation. It can combine with Fusion to get a level 3 Light renkei effect, or it can chain to a weapon skill with a Distortion effect. Steel Cyclone's primary effect is level 2 Distortion. So you would get Distortion after doing Steel Cyclone immediately after Evisceration. Now adding Impulse Drive, you are combining that Distortion effect with Level 2 effect Gravitation to make Darkness.

I do a similar chain with my MNK and RNG when I have TP. I'll open with Swift Blade (Lv2 Gravitation effect), the Monk will follow it with Dragon Kick (Lv2 Fragmentation effect) to get Fragmentation, and the Ranger will do Arching Arrow (Lv2 Fusion effect) to get Light. Normally they do Dragon Kick >> Arching Arrow with just the two of them. But when I announce that I have TP, they'll let me lead off first. Often, when we do a 3-person Lv3 renkei and the mob doesn't resist, we get 1.5x damage multiplier on Light (e.g. the RNG's Arching Arrow will do 600+ damage, and Light will do 1000+).

[Rhayn]

Originally posted by Kurgan
Evisceration has a primary effect of Level 2 Fragmentation.

Actually, as of the last major update, the elemental qualities of Evisceration were changed, so the chart you posted is no longer accurate. Evisceration's primary effect is now Level 2 Gravitation. However, its secondary effect is still the same (Transfixion).

Because of this, there is no way to link Impulse Drive, Steel Cyclone, and Evisceration together in a single renkei since you cannot follow a Darkness renkei immediately with a second level 3 renkei. You also cannot immediately follow a Light renkei with another Light renkei.

Honestly though, from my experience Wheeling Thrust and Shark Bite are better WS anyways, especially since Wheeling Thrust was strengthened in the last major update.