Pld equipment From HNM

[Razoul]

I was searching through some hnm drops and i stumbled upon some really uber gear. Only thing was pld could not equip it.:sweat: The more i searched for some uber pld equipment dropped by hnm the more i seemed to realize that there was none Maybe i passed over it or something. If you find something please tell me cause i want to get to 75 a get some of this really rare equipment. Is my only option to hit dynamis for my af? i hope not. Even if its almost impossible to get equipment like kirin's osodo and genbu's kabuto I need something to look forward to. It seems war gets all the hnm goodies. Come on sony show us pld's some hnm love:spin:

[Lan'Urk]

Well there is the Uncursed armor for Paladins (Kaiser/Koeing) equipment, which is VERY rare, and difficult to get.

as far as swords go, there are a few interesting Swords for PLDs out there, that are rare and very good... like Hrotti.

But yeah, there is plenty to look foward as far as equipment go, so research around you will find them ^_^

[Razoul]

How good is kaiser armor? I know it gives insane amounts of vit but don't we need to do at least a little bit of damage. All those str and dex downs have to make you hit for 0 on anything worth fighting when you actually manage to hit it. what good is vit if you cant keep the aggro due to your lack of any sort of offense. Maybe it changes at high lvls i don't know but right now if i don't damage the mob i don't think that i could keep aggro.

Anything else out their that I'm missing. I do a great deal of research and can't seem to find much. Especialy when it come to sheilds. I was trying to find an ex shield of some sort but i've had no luck. And as for swords the hrotti was all i could find also. Darn them for no letting pld equip the ridill.:mad: im looking for items that you have to earn not just buy for insanly high prices at ah.

[Lan'Urk]

Kaiser/Koeing equipment is good for HNM hunt... since you already do laughable damage on those.... and the extra vit+earth staff really helps... for lvl up PTs...AF is always good.

I dont know any EX shield... but I see a lot of high lvl people using the kaiser/koeing shiled which unlike the armor of the same name, it isnt rare/ex, you can just buy from AH.

As far as swords... The ones around are already OK... Gluttony Sword is excelent, and you can quest for it if you dont want to buy it... the seven sin skulls quest... i dont know how exacly it works... but aparently if you kill the Skull of Gluttony you have a chance of Gluttony Sword drop... or something like that. then there is Espadon which is also a very good sword.

~Lanurk

[Kagi]

There was some controversy going on about the usefulness of an Earth Staff for tanking HNMs on another set of forums I frequent. Someone was saying that hate-keeping is much more important than how hard the HNM hits for, so pld tanks should use a sword+shield and do normal hate tactics to keep it on him/her, instead of using the Earth Staff.

[Razoul]

Yeah I've heard that you wear pld af til 75. But at some point i wanted to look different then all the rest of the plds out there. Guess ill have to lvl up to the mid 70's and head to dynamis so i can not look like all the other plds. Man i have a long way to go till I even get close to 70. And then the task of getting a full set seems almost imossible.:sweat: Wel miracles can happen i guess.

[Jaxon]

I tank HNM with my Gluttony most of the time against HNM, then I got earth staff works out ok for a pld with a staff for HNM. Still I went back to Gluttony for big alliance HNM just feels safer with a shield when mobs do triple attacks on you and only hit once. I know theres two pld in my server with full koeing sets both are Hume. I'm also starting to see couple of relic sets from high level players but I say thats a very rare sight still in jeuno.

[Kibagami]

Just remember pallys have an A in staff (i believe) so myabe they just need to lvl up their Staff skill and get Retribution (again, i dont remember the name but its the last WS for Staff). But well the dissapointing part is that WAR can also use Koenig for tanking, and they can also get Adaman Set and basically WAR can use almost every piece of equipment that is worth it....

Oh and there is this Shield that gives +10 Shield Skill, but its not usable by pallys.

[aznmc16]

i would definately go with earth staff in battle.. only benefit i see using a shield during HNM fight is the "Shield Bash" ability to get some extra added hate... however its a 5 minute ability.

I would probably equip a sword and shield at teh beginning.. and use shield bash , flash, right away.. then equip to earth staff.

[Jaxon]

I switch during HNM battles.

[Demetrios]

In (real) HNM battles like King Behemoth, Fafnir, etc. you don't engage the monster or else you give it unecessary TP. You don't keep hate by hitting these monsters, so Earth Staff works just fine. I especially like how PLDs are used in the King Behemoth fight... we just run around Flashing and hoping the other PLD draws aggro from him before Utsusemi/Stoneskin/Aerial Armor wears off and you're down to 200 HP

As for Rare/EX and Rare items there are quite a few. The Aegishjalmr (rare/ex) drops from Fafnir, which gives +7 Enimity and has the added bonus of looking kick ass. King Behemoth drops the Defending Ring (rare/ex), which gives -10% all physical damage. Sewer Syrup (not really HNM...) drops a -5% all physical damage ring. Fafnir drops a sword that is -10% dragon breath damage. The Bomb Queen drops a ring (rare/ex) that adds +75 HP. The Bloodsucker drops a ring (rare/ex) that adds +50 HP. Some NM in the Quicksand Caves drops a rare/ex sword which has the additional effect of HP drain.

Although it's not Rare/EX, the NM Leshonki drops a bulb which is used to make the Rosenbogen bow. It adds +10 HP and +3 Vit... but it's never been sold on my server. Not even the PLDs wearing full Cursed Armor have this item yet.

If you're looking for MP bonus rings (like me...) then you'll want the Vivian (rare/ex) and Serket (rare) rings, which each add 50.

[Rawls]

Originally posted by Demetrios
If you're looking for MP bonus rings (like me...) then you'll want the Vivian (rare/ex) and Serket (rare) rings, which each add 50.

Both of those rings are HP to MP conversion so you'll lose 50 HP from each of those rings.

[Osir]

But we're galka, so we want to lose some hp for mp.

[Zaptruder]

Originally posted by Kagi
There was some controversy going on about the usefulness of an Earth Staff for tanking HNMs on another set of forums I frequent. Someone was saying that hate-keeping is much more important than how hard the HNM hits for, so pld tanks should use a sword+shield and do normal hate tactics to keep it on him/her, instead of using the Earth Staff.

Except; your hate decreases with the more damage you take.

So much so; I think that I can definetly hold hate better with earthstaff in an exp PT then with the standard sword/shield combo (the only qualifier is that fights are longer than 2:30 minutes on average; so I can use either sentinel or rampart for the extra hate every battle).

Also... do you think the darksteel set is worthwhile? totals to -7% damage... along with -20%, -10 (from defender), -5 (from jelly ring) it comes to -42% dmg! That's insane! probably drop the cap (-1% dmg) for an aegishlamr (I can't spell it :p); only problem with that setup is you don't look so great >.>

[Temeras]

That last post was too hard for me not to argue against, you tended to contradict yourself.

In a normal exp fight at 65+ monster might do avg 80-100 dmg to you, earth staff reduces by 20% and that sounds good, but please please don't use statements like

Except; your hate decreases with the more damage you take.

For one there is no direct evidence I've seen that supports it, if it is somehow basic fact and not just what people say then I know for sure I've yet to see how much dmg reduction would decrease how much hate loss; meaning if I take 10 less dmg how much less hate would i not lose.

So I can't agree with your "So much So" because you don't know the much. And then to say an earth staff can hold aggro better then your shield/sword combo at 61 is just too misinformative. For one earth staff is a lvl 51 weapon, also staffs have horrible dmg ratios. Third is that I am not in favor of weapons with high delay; my reasoning for that being that emnity seems to kick in everytime you hit the mob or cast a spell on the mob. This is why I believe warrior AF has so much more emnity then PLD AF, the warrior is designed to use a great axe which has a lot more delay and therefore the emnity they get from their heavy swing doesn't totally outclass our 1 handed sword which strikes more often to kick in our emnity more, I think if this isn't the case then we should be having alot more difficulty taking aggro off warriors. I guess I'm guilty of doing some theorizing as well but I've seen some proof in my observations and haven't cited something that is purely incalcalculable as the relationship between dmg taken and hate lost.

Also the darksteel set is missing out on the emnity, that and not how it looks should really be the biggest concern, if you could get your hands on an aegisjhalmer then more power to you but I've seen too many paladins obsessed with dmg reduction percentages. Our role is not to take the least dmg, any 74 tank with ninja sub or just NIN/WAR in general far outclasses us in this aspect. I've always said that for me keeping aggro is job 1, living is secondary. Our greatest ability is having many tools to attempt to maintain steady aggro.