X:San Ninjitsu Debuff Effect

[Olorin401]

Had this question come up last night during Dynamis:Xarcabard..

I was asking for someone to cast Suiton:Ichi on Dynamis Lord, so we could get an extra Lightning defense-down effect on him to help Stuns stick. Someone asked "hey why not use Ni or San?" I knew the answer about X:Ichi vs. x:Ni (Ichi gives -30 elemental, Ni only -15) but not about X:San. Anyone happen to know how much it gives?

[Armando]

Re: X:San Ninjitsu Debuff Effect

Um, Ni gives -30 too. And for that matter so does Ancient Magic. I'd guess San would be no different. Quickest way to find out is to reserve Diorama with someone and ask him to tell you by how much his resistance dropped.

[Omniblast]

Re: X:San Ninjitsu Debuff Effect

Armando, I need to ignore you as well, as that's a NWF image.

[Callisto]

Re: X:San Ninjitsu Debuff Effect

Armando, I need to ignore you as well, as that's a NWF image.

Yeah, my boss flipped when he saw that owl avatar.

[Malacite]

Re: X:San Ninjitsu Debuff Effect

It's cool, but I liked the other pic better :O

the sig though. What anime is that from?

[Icemage]

Re: X:San Ninjitsu Debuff Effect

It's cool, but I liked the other pic better :O
the sig though. What anime is that from?

Off-topic, but it's from Lucky Star.

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I'm curious about the debuff effect on the San line as well. Even if it just lasts a little longer, it'd be worthwhile IMO.


Icemage

[Malacite]

Re: X:San Ninjitsu Debuff Effect

What's the easiest way to test this? Ballista?

Also, again semi off-topic but NIN/BLM spamming San wheel ftw

[Icemage]

Re: X:San Ninjitsu Debuff Effect

What's the easiest way to test this? Ballista?

That would be the best way to test it, yes. More specifically Diorama Abjhaljs-Ghelsba.

Also, again semi off-topic but NIN/BLM spamming San wheel ftw

NIN/BLM at 75 is pointless. Against HNM, you're not going to garner enough hate, and the Ninjutsu spam will boost their magic resistance, making your BLMs weaker. Also pretty pointless in merit parties, as being able to Provoke a slept target is more important than a bit of extra damage.

Considering you can only get access to San ninjutsu at 75, the answer should be obvious...


Icemage

[Malacite]

Re: X:San Ninjitsu Debuff Effect

Thing is though, a friend of mine on the server has a NIN buddy who can do 600-800 per san spell on /BLM >_>

[ItazuraNhomango]

Re: X:San Ninjitsu Debuff Effect

Thing is though, a friend of mine on the server has a NIN buddy who can do 600-800 per san spell on /BLM >_>

Oh? Screenshots, please. ^_^

[Icemage]

Re: X:San Ninjitsu Debuff Effect

Thing is though, a friend of mine on the server has a NIN buddy who can do 600-800 per san spell on /BLM >_>

http://www.ffxionline.com/forums/nin...-ninjutsu.html

Base damage on these is reported to be ~200, assumedly against merit-worthy targets (this matches up to what I've seen on the rare occasions I've seen them used as well). Since there's no way to triple your damage output on magic damage, I call BS unless you have screenshots to prove this.


Icemage

[Malacite]

Re: X:San Ninjitsu Debuff Effect

Can't say I have any screens of the San spells, but if Ni can do this to VT crabs




San isn't that big of a stretch. Might have been 400-600, but it was a hell of a lot of dmg. Let's not forget what a massive performance gap there is between Ichi and Ni either.

[ItazuraNhomango]

Re: X:San Ninjitsu Debuff Effect

San isn't that big of a stretch. Might have been 400-600, but it was a hell of a lot of dmg. Let's not forget what a massive performance gap there is between Ichi and Ni either.

Well, I've already experienced the between Ichi and Ni peronsally, but it was Ni -> San which we're were asking about.

An experienced NIN I asked flat out said the San series wasn't worth using the wheel with at Lv.75, so pardon me if I'm a bit skeptical about the claim of 600-800 damage, or even 400-600 damage.

[Malacite]

Re: X:San Ninjitsu Debuff Effect

Just got a message from my friend, he says his NIN buddy was doing upwards of 500 dmg with INT and MAB on.

I figured 800 was a little high myself (been a while since I got the exact figures) but over 400 per spell is still really freaking good for a 2.5 second cast time.

[ItazuraNhomango]

Re: X:San Ninjitsu Debuff Effect

Is that one merit in each San -ton Ninjutsu, for doing the wheel? Or is this 500 from MB'ing with a single Ninjutsu that has full merit? Any screenshot? ^_^