Nin vs. Pld!

[Stooky]

Well, since i started ffxi i have liked to tank, but I also enjoy damage dealing. Once I Leveled my war to 37 i decided to do pld since it seemed like a fun tank. But now, I need a tank but also a DD. I always thought ninja were tanks not DD but i recently heard that they are DD. I just want to make sure this is true o.o And also i want to know if i will struggle to afford ninja x.x I know i will have to get a empress hairpin and some leaping boots which i can do on my warrior. Well if you have any comments or what not, please post it will help me >< Also i would like to know how different there play style is against a pld!
Sincerly,
Stooky

[Tsikuro]

Re: Nin vs. Pld!

It'll cost you millions to actually level it to 75, burning through insane amounts of Ninja tools (and gil) in each EXP party.
It is true that NIN is a DD, though- especially during some higher-level stuff, like Dynamis... PLDs will often be told to tank, and NINs will just DD.

[Omni]

Re: Nin vs. Pld!

I think you will be able to find a lot of information on this if you used the search button.
This topic has been discussed many times and from many different angles.
Sift through the pld and nin forums and you'll find all the info you could need.
good luck.

[Mog]

Re: Nin vs. Pld!

No more nin vs pld threads, pleaseeeeee

Someone just close this now, and please use the search function.

This topic always turns into a flame war.

[Aeolus]

Re: Nin vs. Pld!

Use search.....Its been covered at least 100 times!

[Stooky]

Re: Nin vs. Pld!

Sorry for my noobness... Its not a war just the differences lol.... wtf, if you have a problem close the thread >> And sorry, did not even know there was a search function so dont get pissed off.

[Mog]

Re: Nin vs. Pld!

Sorry for my noobness... Its not a war just the differences lol.... wtf, if you have a problem close the thread >> And sorry, did not even know there was a search function so dont get pissed off.

eh, it's cool. It's just that the whole pld vs nin topic is a really touchy subject and usually turns into something bad....so yeah.

[Omni]

Re: Nin vs. Pld!

we know what you mean.
the search button is up in the top right.

just, for many of the regulars and semi regulars on this forum and any forum for that matter, nin vs pld has been beated to death. it just inevitably ends up into a flame war on how pld is broken and no one loves them or how nin is unbalanced and needs to be nerfed cuz utsusemi is an 'exploit' as some ppl like to call it. etc, etc.

i suggest going thru the nin and pld forums. im sure theres a few threads with similar topic names too!

[Stooky]

Re: Nin vs. Pld!

I just went though all the fourms i found, and by what i saw Nin do more damage than pld and they tank rather well. Thats really all i wanted to know. Still scared that i will be broke half the time as a nin but i like that ;D Every MMO i play im broke so good to add this to the list. I Did hear alot of rants about nin using blink to tank was not intended by square o.O And also that we are not as good as a war/nin since it is more or less a nin with mroe damage o.o I do not know if this is true but I will be trying nin, going to do quest atm Thanks!

[Jei]

Re: Nin vs. Pld!

You can play nin cheap but you will not be very efficient. How well you perform as Ninja really depends on the amount of gil you wish to throw away.

At high level, PLD is a popular tank choice for activities out side of EXPing. But they really are not a popular choice for EXPing.

[Kirk]

Re: Nin vs. Pld!

I just went though all the fourms i found, and by what i saw Nin do more damage than pld and they tank rather well. Thats really all i wanted to know. Still scared that i will be broke half the time as a nin but i like that ;D Every MMO i play im broke so good to add this to the list. I Did hear alot of rants about nin using blink to tank was not intended by square o.O And also that we are not as good as a war/nin since it is more or less a nin with mroe damage o.o I do not know if this is true but I will be trying nin, going to do quest atm Thanks!

Pre level 75 Ninja is a somewhat superior tank to PLD for xping. It takes gil and skil to pull off but it is quite fun and rewarding. You focus mainly on evasion and enmity. Keep the mob on you and make it not hit you.

Post 75, meaning end game activities like Dynamis, HNM ect, PLD becomes the preferred tank, although Ninja can do the same job but usually with more difficulty than its worth.

@75 some ninja finds a new lease on life as a DD. By trading off the evasion equipment normally used in xp tanking for haste and damage gear, a Ninja can become an excellent DD and that really becomes their major roll @75, especially with the very quick merit parties against VT mobs.

A WAR/NIN is in no way a NIN/WAR only with more damage. They are a better DDs, but they cannot be as effective a tank as a NIN/WAR.

When it comes to end game melee DD, NIN/WAR ranks quite high, imo above all except MNK/WAR and WAR/NIN. And its quite enjoyable as well.

Hope this helps! :D

[Stooky]

Re: Nin vs. Pld!

Thank you thats what i need to hear ;D I just hope i can get my scrolls soon after I unlock ninja in a few minutes =p

[TenchiHawkwing]

Re: Nin vs. Pld!

Pre level 75 Ninja is a somewhat superior tank to PLD for xping. It takes gil and skil to pull off but it is quite fun and rewarding. You focus mainly on evasion and enmity. Keep the mob on you and make it not hit you.

Post 75, meaning end game activities like Dynamis, HNM ect, PLD becomes the preferred tank, although Ninja can do the same job but usually with more difficulty than its worth.

@75 some ninja finds a new lease on life as a DD. By trading off the evasion equipment normally used in xp tanking for haste and damage gear, a Ninja can become an excellent DD and that really becomes their major roll @75, especially with the very quick merit parties against VT mobs.

A WAR/NIN is in no way a NIN/WAR only with more damage. They are a better DDs, but they cannot be as effective a tank as a NIN/WAR.

When it comes to end game melee DD, NIN/WAR ranks quite high, imo above all except MNK/WAR and WAR/NIN. And its quite enjoyable as well.

Hope this helps! :D

(Here it goes guys, sorry, but I can't let him misinform this guy)
I'm just wondering... when you say pre-75 you mean Lv40(Yes, just that one level) and post 66 right?

1-37 we all know PLD is a better solo tank than NIN.
Until 40 PLD still holds hate quite a bit better than a NIN that doesn't have a THF present.
At 40 with the elemental jutsu things get quite a bit better, but still not quite where a PLD is at... (partied on PLD with a NIN in Gustav Tunnel @ 40, we went all out on the last 5 chains of the PT to see who could tank more effectively, I won on hate control, he won damage mitigation, once the RDM dinged 41 we tied on downtime reduction(there wasn't any) but before that point... I will admit the NIN had the PT going smoothly.

(For you guys who would ask)
Zushio
Ohaguro
Emperor Hairpin
Ochiudo's Kote
Jujitsu Gi
Royal Squire's Breeches
Fuma Kyahan
Nomad's Mantle +1
Beetle Earring +1x2
Venerer Ring/The Lv36 HQ STR ring(Can't remember the name of it)
Spike Necklace
Tilt Belt

Was what he was wearing(I was pretty impressed, he pumped out some nice dmg). He had some other stuff he's swap in at certain times when tanking, but I didn't check him during battle so I don't know what that was... and he used some squid sushi +1. I had a few pieces I'd swap in for dmg at certain times as well(I used a DD setup with Sentinel up, etc) I'd use then cancel Berserk on WS.. etc.

But enough about that... the point is, when you have DDs going all out, NIN won't be able to keep hate off of that as well as a PLD can, and with RDM and BRD backline neither tank has any real downtime.

@50 Both tanks get double attack, PLD gets another DEF bonus and alot more equip swapping options.
@51 Dark Staff and Earth Staff come into play depending on your tanking style.
@52 AF boots which give +10 Shield Skill which reduces DMG alot.
@55 PLD gets Spirits Within which can help hate holding depending on playstlye
@57 Gluttony Sword... >.>;; And NIN gets Scorpion Harness... a great level for both jobs indeed!
@59 Sipahi Jawshan for PLD and Haubergeon for PLD or NIN(armors increase hate holding potential quite a bit, and for PLD don't hurt tanking stlyle for most players as much as it does for NIN, but NINs can still make good use of the Haubergeon)
@60 PLD AF Body(Considered the best armor for quite some time by many PLD[not me though]) and Byrnie
@65 NIN gets Dual Wield IV I believe... things are looking good for NIN DDs
@66 NIN get some damn nice DD Katanas so the gap between PLD dmg output and NIN output grows and allows NIN to keep hate locked through Ninjutsu and damage.

At that point NIN is providing competitive DMG and efficient tanking and thus becomes better for xp than PLD. Before that, the DMG from the other DDs that PLD can draw out due to better hate holding outweighs NIN benefits most of the time.

**Note that everything I've said here is situational, there may be parties/camps where what I've said is not true, but this is generally the case**

[little ninja]

Re: Nin vs. Pld!

Im the one who starts most nin vs pld flame wars when i see both names in a heading. but im on vacation.

[Wertyone]

Re: Nin vs. Pld!

If you want to be a DD, why not take nin to 37 and then start leveling war? Many people think of warrior as just a sub, but Warrior IMO is a great DD and you already have it to 37. A level 75 war/nin with axe merits is a sight to behold.