Refresh for Ninja

[DigitalisAkujin]

I have recently been doing a lot of research on Ninja at end game and soloing possibilites. The biggest jobs that constantly come up as being the best for soloing are RDM, DRK, and THF.

RDM however I think is by far the most usefull. Stoneskin is like having an extra 1-3 shadows (if not more) plus Aquaviel for interruption rate.

What annoys me however is the lack of refresh for Ninja. Even RNGs have refresh with a Vermy.

The possibilities for a Ninja would open up in the solo department if they had even 1mp per tick refresh. Any thoughts on this?

[Omni]

Re: Refresh for Ninja

subbed stoneskin only lasts you 1, maybe 1 and 1/3 hits. you do get the cure ability and phalanx too which would help you out. but as you said, low mp and no refresh makes this not so great in a long drawn out battle. at 74, my mp with rdm sub is like 150~? im a taru also. that doent leave you much mp to work with.

[DigitalisAkujin]

Re: Refresh for Ninja

You can macro in MND gear. Not really a problem.
Sure you will need a LOT but I'm sure I can get 200-250 out of stoneskin.

[Omni]

Re: Refresh for Ninja

what do you plan on soloing? 200-250 dmg is pretty the norm for nin taking on an vt-it monster. you get critical`d a lot due to the crappy defense rating nin has for something ep-dc, its about 50ish i think per.

[Eldege]

Re: Refresh for Ninja

for soloing it does seem like a very bad idea. though you might want some drinks for them.
in a party it just seems like a very dumb idea.

[tdh]

Re: Refresh for Ninja

You can macro in MND gear. Not really a problem.
Sure you will need a LOT but I'm sure I can get 200-250 out of stoneskin.

MND has no effect on Stoneskin or Phalanx. Only thing that effects these is Enhancing Magic skill. Which would be halved since NIN has no native Enhancing Magic skill. However, it would prevent an interrupt if you needed to cast Ichi for some reason. I don't see it as being useless, but I don't see it being particularly helpful either. Coulse En-elemental spells, but those depend on Enhancing Skill as well so they won't do too much damage.

[Armando]

Re: Refresh for Ninja

Actually, MND does improve Stoneskin. If I remember right, there are three formulas of MND and Enhancing, and when they reach certain points you move on to the next formula in which MND and Enhancing become more effective per point. However, I can't say if it'd be worth it when subbed

[DigitalisAkujin]

Re: Refresh for Ninja

MND and Enhancing magic are the most important things for stoneskin. Please visit the RDM forum for reference. ^^

[tdh]

Re: Refresh for Ninja

O.K. My apologizes. I stand corrected. The Stoneskin formula goes as follows:

For Enhancing Magic 250 or lower: (Which applies in this case)
(MND * 3) + (Enhancing Skill * 3) - 649 = Damage Absorbed

Check out Icemage's Stoneskin Test for other data.

[Jei]

Re: Refresh for Ninja

1 extra stone skin can mean 1 less interupted utsusemi. But that's about it... it's the only real use of smn's Titan in exp PT too when there's a nin tank.

[Last_Viper]

Re: Refresh for Ninja

stoneskin has a long casting timer and recast timer

if blinks would work same way then utsusumi, that would help much
recast timer less 10 seconds

but some hits (as i remember) passing blink..

[Jei]

Re: Refresh for Ninja

blink is not 100% guarantee evade. sometimes the mob can hit you without hitting the blink. utsusemi tho is 100%. some attacks that goes through utsusemi will also goes through blink.

[Kittyneko]

Re: Refresh for Ninja

Speaking of Utsusemi.. As level 40 Ninja, my Utsusemi: NI only gives me 4 shadows. :'(
Ninjutsu Skill far under cap.. I think 98. Utusemi: Ichi always gives 3 shadows though even will stkill 0 at level 50 >.< (I tried) Pretty bad for experience partys.

Double Post Edited:
Not too great for Bcnm either. ~.~

[Armando]

Re: Refresh for Ninja

Just be glad it gives you 4 It gives only 3 when subbed. And yeah, it's always 4, regardless of your Ninjutsu skill.

[Grizzlebeard]

Re: Refresh for Ninja

Utsusemi: Ni only gives 4 shadows with Ninja as main job, 3 shadows with Ninja as a subjob. Utsusemi: Ichi gives 3 shadows regardless.