More shadows... San

[miharu]

Idk if this has always been there or not but after I downloaded the update tonight I noticed this. When I was going over macros I got a blank recast timer by typing /recast "Utsusemi: San" It showed the same thing as what happens if you tried looking at your tecast if you were on another job say. So either we are getting a San otw ... or Ima go cry in the corner some more ^^

PS. OMFG 1337 go check out the relic Koga gloves+1... to uber for words.

[Rodin]

Re: More shadows... San

You're gonna be crying in the corner. San can be used by mobs, but not by playable characters. SE has said they have no interest putting this Ninjutsu in the game, seeing as how it would crush the PLD tanking market, by giving NIN three countdown timers, meaning they will NEVER get hit....EVER.

[Cetra]

Re: More shadows... San

Idk if this has always been there or not but after I downloaded the update tonight I noticed this. When I was going over macros I got a blank recast timer by typing /recast "Utsusemi: San" It showed the same thing as what happens if you tried looking at your tecast if you were on another job say. So either we are getting a San otw ... or Ima go cry in the corner some more ^^

Nothing new. You will never be able to use Utsusemi San, unfortunately.

[levish]

Re: More shadows... San

you could do

/recast "Utsusemi: san"

for some time now. afaik it's 5 shadows with 15sec casting time, so in effect even if it was put into the game it'd be relegated to use before a pull and nothing else.

[Kakusaijin.]

Re: More shadows... San

SE has said they have no interest putting this Ninjutsu in the game, seeing as how it would crush the PLD tanking market, by giving NIN three countdown timers,

Uh, you're aware that the casting time on Utsusemi: San is about as long as Flood/Freeze/Quake/Burst/Tornado, right? It's not shorter by much.

Dynamis mobs cast this, and they are usually interrupted WAY before it ever goes off. The only time I've seen it go off with sucess is when one of the Ninja evaded our RDM's Sleepga.

[Rodin]

Re: More shadows... San

Uh, you're aware that the casting time on Utsusemi: San is about as long as Flood/Freeze/Quake/Burst/Tornado, right? It's not shorter by much.

Dynamis mobs cast this, and they are usually interrupted WAY before it ever goes off. The only time I've seen it go off with sucess is when one of the Ninja evaded our RDM's Sleepga.

True, but if casted before a fight, 5 shadows would go a long way. Not to mention you'd have a Ni with a 1.5 second cast ready to go off right after those 5 shadows were gone. It would still be overpowering, and a loss for PLDs.

[Neomage]

Re: More shadows... San

Meh. Screw San. Give Blue Mage Occulation! BLU/WAR = Uber tank! yeah!

[Kakusaijin.]

Re: More shadows... San

Not to mention you'd have a Ni with a 1.5 second cast ready to go off right after those 5 shadows were gone.

If your pulls are taking that long, though, you're just wasing your time sitting in that party, eh?

Seriously, there hasn't been a time where I have been in a camp that's taken that long to pull. The mob would probably already be at camp by the time your cast made it to 75%, unless your puller is supah-tahded.

[Mainevent41]

Re: More shadows... San

If casted before the battle, it would be a total of one more shadow than what we already have because Ni is ready to go again most of time when the mob arrives at camp anyway. I'd rather never seen San in terms of Utsusemi because I don't need yet another job I like nerfed. Some San debuffs and elemental magic would be nice but NIN is strong the way it is.

[Kittyneko]

Re: More shadows... San

I don't know whats recast time is on it, but else it might be good even during battle with Utsusemi: Ni together. Besides, better a Utsusemi spell more than less anyway.

[Rodin]

Re: More shadows... San

If your pulls are taking that long, though, you're just wasing your time sitting in that party, eh?

Seriously, there hasn't been a time where I have been in a camp that's taken that long to pull. The mob would probably already be at camp by the time your cast made it to 75%, unless your puller is supah-tahded.

Actually, 15-20 seconds between fights is normal unless you're at a camp where the mobs pop around you. And most of the time, there's a first voke for SATA onto the NIN, so the NIN would still have time to cast it if the puller came back early.

[Kakusaijin.]

Re: More shadows... San

And most of the time, there's a first voke for SATA onto the NIN, so the NIN would still have time to cast it if the puller came back early.

I don't let Thieves ask for a "first voke" anymore. Sorry, you've got Assassin, use it.

Also, what camps are there in the upper levels where mobs don't pop around you? Bibiki has mobs around you (depending on where your party decides to idly stand.), if you're in Ru'Avitau, nine times out of ten you're either a nomad party, or you're in a Warrior party where you won't hold hate anyway. Den of Rancor? Mobs everywhere. Am I forgetting anywhere? Oh yeah, I guess this new stupid idea that it's good for a Ninja to tank Puks near the Mamool Ja Staging Point in Bhaflau Thickets. But even if you had Utsusemi: San, those things would be hitting you anway. :x

The point is, say they gave this to us at level...60? By then, if you are taking more than 8 seconds inbetween pulls, you're probably not pulling in more than 2k an hour. Which is awful. :x I could see this as being useful for the following.

1.) Gods, when you have more than one NIN. (Genbu for example, where you can pretty much just have NINs Provoke back and fourth most of the fight.)
2.) Dynamis. It might be a long casting time, but five shadows would probably go a pretty long way against those dumb AoE moves.
3.) Soloing where your evade rate was so good that you could keep up Ichi most of the time if you really needed to, and only used Ni as your "Oh shit" button.



One thing that could save San a lot would be if it automatically cast over the top of Ni (Which I assume it would.) Then you could cast it on top of your last two shadows of Ichi or Ni, I guess. >_> That'd be nifty.


But...why don't we stop asking for Utsusemi: San and start asking for Jubaku: Ni? -_-;

[Kag is fxcking dead.]

Re: More shadows... San

Jubaku: Ni Yes please.