Some questions...>_>

[lionx]

A friend of mine is a high level Elvaan NIN on midgard, i myself am leveling NIN up. However i have some questions from his sugguestions which didnt make much sense to me. I like to see what the higher leveled experienced NINs opinions.

1.) He says as a Taru, its best not to get ATK gear at all and focus on Evasion only. I feel this is untrue as more easier to hold hate with more damage. He also disagreed with an O Kote for me. Should i get an O Kote as a Taru?

2.) He said that Crawler slow from higher levels are hard to dispel...but i find that to be untrue. From my experience the highest leveled Crawler type is Processionaires and their slow can be overwritten by Haste. Only Spider slow cannot be. But i want to ask, are there actually mobs besides spiders that have slow that cannot be overwritten by Haste?

3.) He also recommended me get an Earth Staff at 50...i never seen a NIN use this...is he just pulling that out of his ass? x_x

4.) Do you have any recommendations for a Taru NIN? He sugguested i go full AGI and Evasion and not focus on STR and ATK at all. Is he correct about this..? He also recommended HP gear.

Thanks in advance, i appreciate any responses and opinions you are able to share.

[Jei]

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I only played my ninja to 37 but I have to say I enjoy having STR
just my opinion, having STR as taru is about as important as evasion early on. Later once you start gaining +enmity gears you definitely should pick them up as much as you can and then you can switch your focus to enmity and evasion.

anyway, some higher lvl nin maybe able to give more insight about this.

[Rodin]

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Hate is not a problem as long as you spam debuff ninjitsu...I don't know why most NINs don't (on my server at least), but they tend not to, and lose hate then. After that, they get into a conundrum...OMG I need +STR +ATT +ACC +Enmity Gear to hold hate better. I'd say Haste Gear and Evasion Gear > +STR +ATT +ACC +Enmity. When you start the battle, send out the paralyze and slow ninjistu. And talk with the BLM, and see if you can get a rythm going. Before he casts a spell, use the ninjitsu that will weaken the mob to that element. Also, remember to provoke every chance you get (but remembern not to screw up the SATA.) This way is expensive, but players will remember how you play ninja. The way you gain a reputation in this game is one of three ways: Drama Queen (includes asshats), Playing your job excellingly good, and....well....all I can say is Arvy (I'm not ragging on the guy, but he has a lot of attention, but it's not any of the other two ways O_o).

[Omni]

Re: Some questions...>_>

A friend of mine is a high level Elvaan NIN on midgard, i myself am leveling NIN up. However i have some questions from his sugguestions which didnt make much sense to me. I like to see what the higher leveled experienced NINs opinions.

1.) He says as a Taru, its best not to get ATK gear at all and focus on Evasion only. I feel this is untrue as more easier to hold hate with more damage. He also disagreed with an O Kote for me. Should i get an O Kote as a Taru?

2.) He said that Crawler slow from higher levels are hard to dispel...but i find that to be untrue. From my experience the highest leveled Crawler type is Processionaires and their slow can be overwritten by Haste. Only Spider slow cannot be. But i want to ask, are there actually mobs besides spiders that have slow that cannot be overwritten by Haste?

3.) He also recommended me get an Earth Staff at 50...i never seen a NIN use this...is he just pulling that out of his ass? x_x

4.) Do you have any recommendations for a Taru NIN? He sugguested i go full AGI and Evasion and not focus on STR and ATK at all. Is he correct about this..? He also recommended HP gear.

Thanks in advance, i appreciate any responses and opinions you are able to share.

im a 74 taru nin and even though your friend might be a high ninja his assumptions about tarus are completely wrong, almost funny.

granted, our hp is horrible but its not as bad as other races think.

from 37-mid 50s, i was using a mix of evasion and str gear. from 60-73 i went mainly evasion/acc gear. not agility might i add, the only agi i had were from equips that already had +agi and squid sushi. i had no hp+ gear other than the hp+ from nin af. the earth staff thing is almost an insult. stick with the best katanas you can get for your lvl. after 70 theres a plethora of combinations you can pick. theres quite a few threads here that talk about it. remember that generating hate as a nin is done thru 1) landing consistent atks 2) debuffing (kurayami, hojo, jubaku) 3) provoking 4) elemental ninjutsu (not always necessary). i hold hate fine until renkei, which is when you want to have hate turn for fuidama. i have to hold off on the provokes now since some jobs that open light renkei cant turn the mob.

i know crawlers are overwritten by haste. spiders no. im not sure what else casts slow onto you? never really fought demons for xp so not sure.

theres quite a few taru nin that post here and they can tell you that full agi/eva is not needed. however, you need to be a little more alert when fighting mobs that are IT++, you dont have the luxury of getting caught shadowless for too long. but all and all... find your comfortable mix of eva/atk/acc and get your tanking rhythm down and youll be fine.

[lionx]

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Thanks Omni and everyone else, its pretty much what i was thinking all along. I am not a high level NIN so when my friend sugguested it i wasnt sure. I will continue the original setup i had in mind and will change accordingly, i appreciate everyone' advice and comments.

BTW Arvy ftw x_x

[Rai|Kye]

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hmmm i have Earth staff and wind staff macro and always take them with me.

earth and wind staff can really help if you for example screw up with the Ni cancel, which happens to me from time to time cuz of lagg or other things.

i think as ninja you dont need them but they are a nice extra.
i wear them when we fight against Taurus too cuz when you fight them face off extra +10 evasion or -dmg rocks

[Icemage]

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Regarding Slow attacks that overwrite/cannot be overwritten by Haste, the following enemies use Slow attacks that do this:

Spiders
Diremites
Eo'euvhi/Aw'euvhi (Grand Palace of Hu'Xzoi and The Garden of Ru'Hmet, respectively)
Ouryu (Promathia 4-2)
Ultima Weapon (Promathia 6-3)

As far as I can remember, no other Slow attacks will overwrite Haste (spell, Crawlers, Skeletons, Demons, Saplings, Pugils, Raptors, etc.).


Icemage

[Shifty]

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AOE slow cant be overwritten by haste, has to be erased, then re-hasted

1) tarus are either tied or have 2nd best agi in game, so as elvaan, he should be focusing on agi. you should do str/atk or eva. all nin should do eva...gets kinda pointless end game however. and, tarus have high int, which should mean your elemental nis wont be resisted often, which is very good, seeing as 76dmg per ni is very good dmg at lvl 50.

2) any normal exp mob slow thats not aoe wont overwrite haste, i dont think...but, i'm not mage, so not 100% sure if it depends on enhancing magic lvls.

3) earthstaff is good for tanking hakutaku and mobs you probably wont hit, and if you do hit them, you wont hit them hard, plus you tank them backwards. in exp pt you want katanas, otherwise you wont be holding hate well.

4)hp gear is kinda pointless untill later, because as hume, i was getting 1 shotted by spiders in dragons airy at 70. so hp probably wont help too much. my reccomendations are str+atk, and dorado sushi...if you can hit the mob, and hit for decient dmg, hate holding will be much better. ive found doing almost no dmg and evading alot is hard to hold hate. doing decient dmg and having to spam utsu i can keep hate alot easier, as long as i dont get caught with my pants around my legs

[lionx]

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4)hp gear is kinda pointless untill later, because as hume, i was getting 1 shotted by spiders in dragons airy at 70. so hp probably wont help too much. my reccomendations are str+atk, and dorado sushi...if you can hit the mob, and hit for decient dmg, hate holding will be much better. ive found doing almost no dmg and evading alot is hard to hold hate. doing decient dmg and having to spam utsu i can keep hate alot easier, as long as i dont get caught with my pants around my legs

I cant wait x_x Spiders sound fun.

A few more questions though..about spiders, does Sickle Slash go through Shadows? And if it doesnt, how much on average does Sickle Slash consume shadow-wise? I know Gob Rush completely kills an Ichi as they have numerous times in Valkurm, is Sickle Slash similar..?

Another thing is, your comment about Utsusemi gathering hate, is the hate gathered when casting Utsusemi, equal or greater/less than the Enimity lost by a hit in a shadow? I cannot tell at the moment because i can only Ichi tank (and god it sucked before and more now) and hence cannot make an accurate judgement. Could you help me out there?

And a smaller question would be...when i get a Survival Belt, would it be smart to switch to a LifeBelt around 48? Or should i keep the Survival? Or should i keep both and use it depending on the mob? I am leaning torwards keeping both to be versitle and maximize myself, however if it is pointless to have one or the other (or if its not significant enough) then i would rather keep some gil for powders(not to be cheap of course, but not to waste gil either).

Thanks in advance.

[Flash]

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A few more questions though..about spiders, does Sickle Slash go through Shadows? And if it doesnt, how much on average does Sickle Slash consume shadow-wise? I know Gob Rush completely kills an Ichi as they have numerous times in Valkurm, is Sickle Slash similar..?

Sickle Slash takes 1 shadow, and doesn't go through. The only thing with spiders is that they attack fast and have a nack for using Sickle Slash the very second your last shadow is taken

Another thing is, your comment about Utsusemi gathering hate, is the hate gathered when casting Utsusemi, equal or greater/less than the Enimity lost by a hit in a shadow?

I don't think you can really tell how much hate you lose per shadow. You are constantly casting when your shadows are almost down anyways.

And a smaller question would be...when i get a Survival Belt, would it be smart to switch to a LifeBelt around 48?

I'm a 71 Taru NIN and I switched to a Life Belt @ 48, and havn't used Survival Belt anytime after. I still havn't found the need for it, but I'm looking into that new 70+ evasion belt, I forgot what it's called

[Icemage]

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AOE slow cant be overwritten by haste, has to be erased, then re-hasted

See my above post. There are several AoE slow attacks which Haste can negate. Demonic Howl from Demons comes to mind. A few NMs use Slowga, and that also can be overwritten/negated by Haste.


Icemage

[kuu]

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Sickle Slash takes 1 shadow, and doesn't go through. The only thing with spiders is that they attack fast and have a nack for using Sickle Slash the very second your last shadow is taken

Not anymore, it's been months now since sickle slash took down multi shadows. Same as gobbie rush, changed to 3 hits in the resent update.

There has been a lot of "under the radar" ninja nerfing.

AOE slow cant be overwritten by haste, has to be erased, then re-hasted

I<ga<II<gaII etc.

Haste beats slow, slowga beats haste, and hastega beats slowga. So you need a smn. If there was a slow2, then you would need haste2.

[Taskmage]

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I'm a 71 Taru NIN and I switched to a Life Belt @ 48, and havn't used Survival Belt anytime after. I still havn't found the need for it, but I'm looking into that new 70+ evasion belt, I forgot what it's called

Scouter's Rope

[Icemage]

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I<ga<II<gaII etc.

Haste beats slow, slowga beats haste, and hastega beats slowga. So you need a smn. If there was a slow2, then you would need haste2.

Eh? Since when?

Dia = Diaga < Bio < Dia II < Bio II

Slow < Haste = Hastega < all of the above effects I mentioned.

Test it. You'll see.


Icemage

[kuu]

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Eh? Since when?

Dia = Diaga < Bio < Dia II < Bio II

Slow < Haste = Hastega < all of the above effects I mentioned.

Test it. You'll see.


Icemage

I'll have to test that later, seeing maintence lol.