nin melee

[flipmazzi]

OK I know most of you are going to flip out and say nins are gimped DD and should only be tanks and all that stuff. I've heard it all before. The bottom line is i like nin melee and am willing to take a decrease in invites to lvl it. I'm proving to people one by one i can be effective after they pt with me. So please dont turn this thread into a "nin can't melee" thread because thats not what this is supposed to be.

Curenntly Im low lvl nin/rng, lvl 23. I pull and spam shuriken wearing as much +ranged acc gear as i can. So far this has worked well.

I was wondering if past 30 it would be better to switch to thf sub for SA or keep rng sub.

Reasons i can think of to keep rng:
Widescan makes pulling for xp chains so easy.
Sharpshot increases my accuracy to the point where my shurikens hardly ever miss

Switch to thf:
Sneak Attack


I'm sure there are more reasons for both,

[Thegod]

at level 27 nin/rng i outdamaged the two rangers and the blm in my party.....


people are fning retarded, i had 3 rank tens tell me to go change back to war sub, i had numerous people call me n00b....


...kinda a big deal to me because word gets around that i play my jobs very effeciently and havent made a n00b mistake ....ever!!!


like i said, people are fn loser dumb arse, dont listen to them, if you have actually took the effort to gear yourself to do a certain thing, your skill caps arnt too far off norm, then by all means go for it.


I mean how many ninjas do you see duel wielding centurian swords and no one says anything to them, but wield a weapon with the same cap (gun ) and they all go crazy...


nin/rng is uber and from what i was told it'd work till level 50, but no further.

at level 30 you can even up your skill by getting a gunbelt...but other then that....solo if you dont get invites, i soloed at level 27 on clippers in qufim, and they hardly touched me.

[Kiyosuki]

While I agree that sometimes you just have to sub something for the group effort, I do agree that some people get really personal and just plain rude when it comes to job combinations. Unless its a job combination that is proven to be quite pointless in exp pt's or unless you do it just to be special (IEeople who don't level War at least) there's no point in being so callous.

They mostly do it like how the few and "proud" message board whores on any board like to pick on people for the stupidest reasons, like posting similar topics to another or not knowing something thats "common" or whatever. Its too silly to listen too.

You know..the ironic thing is that the type that tends to pick on people for stuff like they're subs and stuff tend to have this inferiority complex to the Japanese players, and I guess don't want western players to look gimp in comparison (Or to make themselves feel like they're on the same level) But for all the things Japanese players do just like any of us, I have never heard of a single time where a Japanese player has picked on another player (of any descent) for they're job combination unless it was to annoy others.

That says something doesn't it?

I will say on topic though, that in my opinion Nin/Thf is really one of the least posssibly useful subs for Ninja there is. It may work eh..alright with the right food and stuff, but I think Nin/War, or Nin/Rng even are far superior to it because Ninja and Thief are very opposite fighting styles. Ninja's rely more on dot and multi hitting melee to flexibly deal damage rather than try to concentrate damage into big giant single attacks like Thf does. I just don't think Ninja was built for that kinda combat at all.

Although I've never used it though, I hear from many accounts that Nin/Rng can be very nasty if there's enough effort put into it to level throwing, marksmanship, and get just the right equipment and food type. I believe its usefullness wanes a bit in the mid levels but supposedly picks up again in the 60's somewhere.

I think if a Ninja plays Damage Dealer, /War is still superior to /Thf because of Double Attack+Berserked DW III and later on IV, in the time it takes for a Ninja to concentrate attack into a SATA WS Nin/War will have done double that damage in acumulation through regular melee. (especially if you gear yourself towards TOTAL attack, as in replace ALL that evasion gear for attack. (this is assuming your not the main tank.) Then couple it with food like Navarian, Sole Sushi, or Yellow Curry and your dot is pretty impressive. Thing is is Katana WS's I'm convinced just weren't designed for SATA use really, and although you could use a Great Katana or dual wield a Sword in main hand with a Katana for stronger SATA, Nin/War and Nin/Rng offer something more unique and effective as far as damage goes.

So far, other than /War the only other Ninja sub jobs I've noticed have had *potential* success in exp pt's in particular are /Rng and at times, /Blm. Although I don't have personal experience with either of those, someone else here can fill you in on those more than I can.

[Mercutia]

*Sigh* I must admit if the NIN/RNG and good RNG Acc. He would have outdamged me as a RNG... @ lvl27 But he countlessly spammed bullets and hit about 1/4. I could see how it would be difficult for a NIN to distribute RNG acc and acc together without effecting each other @ least ontill you get snipers

[poweryoga]

why do nin use guns...? isn't throwing the best ranged nin has? Its not like shurikens do less damage than bullets and nin don't get to use silvers, not to mention short delays for shurikens.

[Dtec]

probably because the LEVEL 18 SHIRUKENS cost 10k A STACK!!! LEVEL 18 for GODS SAKE lol you know how you gil you would spend tossing those in an exp party? SE should really do something about that.

[Mitsu]

IMHO shuriken only really shine at end game when you can sub rng and spam shuriken then use spirits within. Cost of shuriken is not S-E fault but the fault of the economy. The only BAD thing that is S-E fault concerning shuriken is...Fuma shuriken....each synth only 3 made and stack to only 12. If your serious about throwing I suggest lvling smith to at least 65.

[CarbonFibre]

Yeah as kiyo said, THF sub probably wouldn't add much since most of the NIN weaponskills are multiple hits. When do those throwing weaponskills come out again? :p

PS: DRG or SMN sub is ideal

[poweryoga]

Originally posted by Dtec
probably because the LEVEL 18 SHIRUKENS cost 10k A STACK!!! LEVEL 18 for GODS SAKE lol you know how you gil you would spend tossing those in an exp party? SE should really do something about that.

please explain how bullets are cheaper and better? :confused:

normal bullets (not silver) do pretty bad damage for their cost anyway. not to mention any non-rng gun has pretty hideous delay.

[Dtec]

Originally posted by poweryoga
please explain how bullets are cheaper and better? :confused:

normal bullets (not silver) do pretty bad damage for their cost anyway. not to mention any non-rng gun has pretty hideous delay.

that's my point, shurikens are better than guns for ninjas except for the fact that they cost so damn much to use. they need to fix the synth recipes or else throwing skill will be a lost art.

[711rocks]

I spam the crap out of the level 18 shuriken, (getting excited for the 28 ones O.o) the damage is great and well worth 10k a stack.

[Kiyosuki]

Shuriken in the early levels is a fantastic way to balance out your gimp dual wield speed in the early levels, I can't recommend it enough if you can afford it. When you get the Juji's your going to consistently do damage on par with Dark Knight's, Monks, and Dragoon's as far as dot goes.

At these low levels its considerably easier to cap throwing than it is later, so if you can take some time before leveling Ninja you'll do great. I used Shuriken extensively at the lower levels as Ninja/Warrior and when using Shuriken, along with enfeebles a bit later on my weight in the party was much more felt because my dot was very good, and I could tank for long periods of time. I was pretty much a low level damage dealer/backup tank most of the time and it worked out great.

Its only in the mid 30's to early 40's you start to see Shuriken accuracy plummet, and the cost of using them skyrocket. Along with the fact your dual wield catches up and you just basically work like a completely different job, thats why people don't really throw in they're exp time, its not a good investment for tanking or in general really.

Like Mitsu said, you can start getting into throwing in the upper levels again if you want to experiment and see if you can take full advantage of it. A few Ninja's do this, but you have to be willing to spend a lot of gil to be able to craft the things, as well as get just the right gear to gear yourself into a "Throw Ninja" Its definitely an extra little on the side challenge for any Ninja if they want to try it seems.

I'm personally probably not going to really tamper with throwing until my very very late levels, which won't be any time soon.

But yeah, its very, very useful 1-35. Along with being a Nin/War and throwing with capped throwing, and going Ninja/Ranger 20-30-37, are only a few of the ways you can make Ninja's earlier levels (arguably the most painful as Ninja is an uphil climb) much more pleasant and fun.


There are all kinds of ways to survive Ninja's lower levels before it just starts to completely transform in the 40's and on into a completely different job.

[Navia]

I found it alot easier to level throwing when I subbed whm, equipped archer knives and did energy drain/steal weaponskill on stuff like elemental/crab/beetle for mp while throwing boomerang over and over. You should be able to solo tank these indefinitely and skill up in the process.
My throwing skill is lagging a bit, I still get skillup on robber crabs so its something to pass the time while waiting for Aquarius to pop

[Kirk]

Originally posted by Thegod

I mean how many ninjas do you see duel wielding centurian swords and no one says anything to them, but wield a weapon with the same cap (gun ) and they all go crazy...

When you see this most times they are skilling up sword skill to get spirits within. Its really the only reason to use swords as its vital to use against end game HNMs ^^