Thinking of quitting PLD for NIN

[Doubian]

As my PLD i have 55+22 VIT at lvl 49 and a bunch of DEF with Fish Mithys or Steamed Crab but i still get hit for quite a bit and i am an MP drain. While playing as a melee job I had a NIN tank and loved how the WHM has almost full MP and can get chain 5's. I have 500k-600k after selling my PLD stuff, how far would that take me with NIN. I have a lvl 87 Woodworking friend who can make my Shihei. So far i am lvl 11 but i can't decide if i wanna use my my Utsusemi or sell it to take PLD further. I want to take one tanking job to 75 to do HNM but i dunno if i could support the gil that NIN needs to get that far. Help me out.

[Navia]

In todays server economy, 500-600k won't last long at all. Depending on your server prices that will buy you an emp hairpin if you don't care to take your chances camping it, an ochiudo kote or 1 sniper ring. There is alot more stuff you have to buy as you level ninja further

Paladins have a much easier time leveling because their equipment expenses don't really ramp up until very late.
Ninjas farm monsters alot, garden, tradeskill among other things to keep enough gil on hand to fund their powder expenses and buy the best equipment possible.

You are level 49 and honestly all I hear from paladins is how they love/hate thier job by the time they have their AF wrapped up at level 60. If you don't like the paladin gameplay mechanic of getting beat up then healing yourself, flashing the monster to piss it off and make sure it only hits you, then maybe you might like ninja - or maybe not. Sometimes trying things out for yourself is the only way to know what is best.
If you do switch, all your paladin leveling isn't a waste, all that parry skill you gained from paladin is a nightmare to raise when you are a ninja
:sweat:

[Doubian]

Dammit....i can't decide, i like playing PLD (and its not too expensive), i love NIN tanks and RNGs (but I hate to be poor). I also love BRDs. Maybe I should sell Utsusemi and buy Astral Rings and level WHM for my BRD sub ><. I wanna play a job that has no problem getting invites and is useful to the party and is wanted for HNM in the 70's.

[Zeth]

Originally posted by Doubian
I wanna play a job that has no problem getting invites and is useful to the party and is wanted for HNM in the 70's.

Since you've leveled PLD so far already, and the above quote is what you want, I'd say stick with it. PLDs are always wanted and imo are the most well rounded tanks.

[Navia]

Originally posted by Doubian
Dammit....i can't decide, i like playing PLD (and its not too expensive), i love NIN tanks and RNGs (but I hate to be poor). I also love BRDs. Maybe I should sell Utsusemi and buy Astral Rings and level WHM for my BRD sub ><. I wanna play a job that has no problem getting invites and is useful to the party and is wanted for HNM in the 70's.

Unless you do the static pt thing, all jobs have problems gettting parties at some point, it depends on the server to some extent. Ive seen 8+ paladins seeking in my level range some days, one day I saw 4 bards out of 7 people total seeking in the 63-66 level range lol.

Ninjas are held to some of the highest standards as far as equipment when you party - on the otherhand you can wear the crappiest gear possible as BRD and people will beg you to join their parties
There is an abundance of PLD at 75 on some servers, take a look at what HNMLS are recruiting, they rarely have spots open for PLD because they have a couple with the best gear already to tank, they usually want alliance slots filled with more damage jobs like blm and rng (which can be abundant too depending on your server ;x lol).

If you do the HNM thing with PLD you will need a level 37 ninja sub ready to go, there is no sense in selling your utsusemi scroll if you think about it. You will inevitably level ninja whether you make it your new main job or not.

[Ozymandis]

Ninjas aren't really held to that high of standards on gear. You can go with decent stuff until AF, then use that, then go full Arhat's which will last you for, like, ever. I see other ninjas my level using these setups, and doing better than some other ninjas with a lot more expensive gear

The consumables, that's the rough part. Even with someone to make your shihei for cheaper, you're still going to be shocked at how expensive this job is. Shihei is a minor expense for me. It's Hojo tools, at 20k a stack, and elementals.

I'd stick with paladin. Ninja might seem neat if you're used to that job, but even though we can avoid hits, when our Utsusemi is not up, we're extremely exposed until we can get it back up. And keeping hate is much more of a struggle for us.

You say you're an MP drain as paladin. But really you need to put together groups that play to your job's strength. If I was a paladin, every party I made would have a ranger and a blackmage

[Gryff]

if you enjoy paladin and your reason for wanting to play ninja is mp efficiency/more favoured, stick with paladin.

Post 60 both paladin and ninja groups should have no downtime while exping if the party config is setup correctly and you have reasonably ok players.

Paladin is the preferred tank for a lot of the endgame stuff, although ninja is more solo'able etc, its fairly balanced, if you go either you'll be in demand.

[Thegod]

Originally posted by Doubian
Dammit....i can't decide, i like playing PLD (and its not too expensive), i love NIN tanks and RNGs (but I hate to be poor). I also love BRDs. Maybe I should sell Utsusemi and buy Astral Rings and level WHM for my BRD sub ><. I wanna play a job that has no problem getting invites and is useful to the party and is wanted for HNM in the 70's.

I play BLM RNG and NIN probably the three most exspensive jobs, maybe not BLM so much as gear USUALLY isnt as exspensive as the uber meelee gear (there are exceptions, one being my million dollar rse belt, serkit ring, morions+1, HQ staffs, ect)

Out of the two other jobs, rng and ninja, i think in the long run ninja will be way more exspensive then rng.

ranger exspenses:

1. its cheaper and easier to farm for supplies to make arrows then it is to make shihei.
2. rng's weapons cost 30k untill level 55 (e.bow cost 6 mil) but if you will never have 6 mil, then there is a 900k xbow that will comp. basically 900k for most exspensive weapon. (ranged)
3. dual hawkers will run you 600k, dual archers (dam near as good) will run you 80-90k
4. ammo post level 30 will cost you 25k per 1188 arrows(12 quivers)
5. rng gear is insanely cheap, nocst gear cost like 3k for some pieces, and it last well into AF and some pieces last past AF.
6. emp hairpin and leaping boots are definately not a must for rngs (i have em and i have switched them out and not noticed much difference, i keep em for the evasion and the status (im not gonna lie and say the item is worth what i paid)

ninja exspenses:

1. you will use so much shihei leveling nin its not even funny, chalk up 5-6k a stack, took me 5 stacks to get from 17-21 you do the math
2. emp hairpin is a must, +10 evasion at level 24, is so uber it cannot be described.
3. ninja gear (body pieces and wut not) cost alot more then rng gear, and doesnt last as long (i.e.federation gear at 40k a pop lvl 25, uber nin gear i.e. scorp harness cost like 6 mill)
4. nin is a job that needs dual snippers
5. throwing weapons can cost up to 40k a stack for some uber shurikens
6. ninjitsu magic scrolls and tools get costly as well, on average 7-10k per stack of nin tools



so whoever said rng is more exspensive then ninja must have been playing ninja not to its fullest, because NIN IMO is the most exspensive job.

*so you have 600k (for the sake of arguement) i say thats last you to maybe lvl 30 nin, probably not, you wont wanna level it w/o the hairpin your spell interuptions more then double w/o it


ok so those were the bad points, the good points:

3 ninja parties are the most amazing thing ever, 0 DT loads of exp and its just fun to play for an hour or so w/o getting hit once.

ranger is just uber, barrage for 702 last night had my party in etc (im only level 42 rng too)

farming with nin, imagine killing gobbues w/o ever getting hit, runing from one to the other, to the next, and im not talking about casting utsusemi, just with your evasion gear and higher level mobs wont hit you, ITs have a hard time hitting me.

I have never once not even logging on at 11pm waited more then 15 mins for a party as my rng.

I havent waited much longer as nin or BLM either, these 1-3 hr LFG wait times i hear about would make me quit, i just couldnt imagine wasting that much time when you could be xping.


BUT IMO pld have the shortest wait times.

[Bigbird]

Stick with PLD.

[dworkin]

in 18 days i took ninja from lvl 1 to 55. cost was about 600k-1mil. most my early lvls were spent with another ninja tank. so i saved on most of my powders. an then i have had pt invites as a simple DD/puller. so powders were saved in those cases too.

as for gear i was blessed with a lvl 60drk that not only farmed for my hairpin before i started, but i also had the ability to bring over my sniper rings. otherwise those cost would be insanely high. i have yet to own a kote, or fumas for the feet. those are things i would love to own. but i believe those prices are insane.

OZY is on some smack or something. no ninjas arent expected to have the ubberest of gears. but the are expected to have well rounded gear, as for brds they can get away with low end gear, an even rse til af. i cant say that with the ninja job..

as for pld or ninja. id say stay with pld. people expect way to much out of a ninja, an when stuff goes sour its always the ninjas fault. plus cost wise you really have none as a pld after af. you get the gluttony sword that lasts a long time, your always in af til adam. only cost is a new shield every few lvls.

[Rai]

Here is something you might want to consider, as a PLD you tank. tanking is the best way to raise Evasion and Parrying. NIN relies on these skills, PLD is expected to take damage, the longer you stay PLD the longer these skills will be capped as a NIN starting out.

I too am an Elvaan PLD I am currently lvl 67 about 3k from 68. I will take PLD all the way I will also raise my NIN up from lvl 21 and try to take it all the way too. I think my Evasion and Parrying skills will be capped well into the 60 of NIN and feel this will help me as an Elvaan NIN.

[Thegod]

1-55 in 18 days on the game's counter?

like 18 24 hour periods of time you were on the game??


for 600k-1 mil??? really??? that worked out for you ok??


wow im just amazed, thats hardly any gil, and thats a whole lotta levels.


kinda erking when i know nin cost more then ranger, but im spending 60k per level now and you only spent 600k-1 mil for 55 levels.

[Omni]

70k for 20k of xp is about what ive calculated for ninja, more or less. :dead:

rng can definately cut his costs down alot by crafting everything. i thnk other than bullets (alchemy) rng can do everything under woodworking.

nin would need to lvl 4-5 different crafts to be able to craft all their needs

[Thegod]

lol really rngs need alch and wood...

and wow only 70k, maybe gun rangers are more exspensive then ninjas, 13k a stack of bullets....hurts soo bad its not even funny.

[SkyWing_]

I quit my PLD for Samurai once I hit lvl 50, mainly cuz when I was farming I saw a lvl 35 Dragoon do almost 3 times my damage. another thing that turned me off was one day there were 4 PLDs and 1 DRK on seek for a PT. lmao how many plds do u need? XD