How Important are HP's?

[icesharc]

The question of 10mil gil enough:

It all depends on how much you want to spend, ninja is one of the few jobs where you can really go overboard on gil if you want to be an uber character. There is a ninja on my server that has probably 30mil in gear at lvl 68.

his gear around lvl 60 was something like; speed belt, scorp harness +1, one katana did hp drain, dont remember the other. Bomb queen ring (75 hp one). Melody earing when we had a bard, and a whole list of other expensive stuff.

So i'd say if you wanna just stick with your af gear and only the necc. gear yes 10mil will do ok, but if you want to be the best i'd save a lot more. I recently made an ALT to craft alchemy on and to play ninja. It's a galka and I dont plan on leveling him until I have atleast 15 or 20 mil so that I can be a very good ninja and known for it.

[Ozymandis]

LOL that's crazy. 10 million is more than enough to be a well-geared ninja. We're on the same server, so I see the same prices you do.

If you're the kind of person who thinks they need Scorp+1 and Speed Belt/Melody+1s, 10 million is not enough. However, gear doesn't make a ninja. Our job is about player skill and tactics first and foremost. There are ninjas out there with full AF that out-tank ones in really top-notch gear setups. I've seen it before.

[Rio]

Taru Ninja here :3
Last night I was leveled in Garbage (Garlaige) and I got oooowned by a Funnel Bat. Full HP and got hit with Jet Stream with only one blink left . Also I got killed by goblins with suicide bomb hehe at lvl 45 in front of Ifrits.

[Stanislav]

I used to depend on Evasion only but I have switched to VIT and HP.

My NIN has about 1500 HP and +25 VIT (Will be +32 when i get my NIN af2 feet)

I still have evasion and have no problem tanking things but I dont get even close to one shotted,

[Bigbird]

There is many different combinations of Ninja Builds to use, most go full Evasion, but from my experience , it all comes down to skill. It would be easier if you went Galka, since you have more room for mistakes with all that HP and VIT.

I've done it as a Taru and there were some points where i wanted to quit but i just adjusted and kept going. It wasnt as hard as leveling a Taru BST though, but maybe it is for some people because im the only NA with a taru NIN 75 on my server so far, hehe.

[Ozymandis]

The extra HP is nice at times, I gotta say. We were exp'ing on Gobbues last night, and I scraped through at once point with 38 HP, and another time with 120. I would have even survived a 1190 Beatdown if I had been at full HP, but I was not.

And I still died 3 times. The combination of Double Attack and super-high damage TP attacks is deadly, nothing I could do.

I can't imagine being Taru and tanking those. 300 damage a hit, 400+ on crits.


Oh, and Icesharc, you can suck my balls for stealing Aquarius from me at half HP. Your idiot WHM and SAM got what they deserved. It's a shame you didn't die too.

[Bigbird]

hahahahahaha

[Ozymandis]

If you think that's funny you should have seen them fight it. It took my static about 5 minutes to get it to half HP (kiting... bah, not my idea, I could have tanked it straight up). Their only damage dealer was a mid-60s samurai using archery. In the 10 minutes I watched them fight it they might have gotten 10% off. Probably not even that much.

Then there was an odd "mishap" where a large number of robber crabs aggro'ed their tank and a couple of them died. Oh well, serves them right. We lost 3 people after they claimed it because we couldn't damage it anymore.

[Les]

depends on which god. used to use straight out vitality hp for genbu and seiryu and byakko, now i use the same eq for every god. basically all the haste eq possible (minus dusk hands) and max out on evasion but with osode instead of harness, basically testing myself on how clean i can thru a god fight, not getting hit once for me is my main goal now.

[Kirk]

Les

Sounds like an ambitious endeavor! How successful have you been? And Could youn tell us your eq set up to achieve such an amazing feat? Tank a god with no hits? oO!

[Les]

2 katanas, shiranui and nikkaeroie, tho it doesn't make a world of a difference, 300 tp with full hp gear spirits within at start of battle.

head - optical hat
neck - evasion torque
earrings - bat earrings
body - kirin's osode
hands - rasetsu tekko
left ring - breeze ring
right ring - jelly ring
back- bat cap
waste - speed belt
legs - byakko's haidate
feet - rasetsu suneate, fuma kyahan on genbu.

maxed merits on agi, evasion skill, katana skill, ninjutsu skill, spell interruption rate, (none on enmity, or else my ranger will feel the wrath).

songs played by bard - one mambo, one march, only time i'll go double march is for genbu.

main tank pt, one ninja, one pld, bard whm, rdm

trick here is to cordinate urself with the fellow pld for cover, if your blink gets ripped apart say by fang rush, -ga spell, dispelling wing, cyclone claw, diaga or what not, pld covers and buys u that extra second to recast blink, also will need 4 blms for a repeated stun cycle. have a rdm haste them, with one march one ballad, and see how much recast time is etc.

out of all 4 gods, the only one that doensn't need such specific pt setups is suzaku, who misses a lot and is quite slow. genbu is tricky for its weird attack patterns and poisonga, byakko and seiryu by far are the hardest to go through untouched.

so far only done it a few times, with genbu and suzaku came close with byakko but i think he got me 3 times or so, seiryu is a big pain, 2 fang rushs in a role;; ouch, but with enuff stunners u can go through any battle very clean. in the end all these battles are a group effort, not one single job stands out more than any other.

also note for genbu with enuff haste, ( haste plus double march) haste eq etc, its very easy to go through the whole battle by just recasting Ichi, this is to save your when he does poisonga or a waterga gets through due to a missed stun, same deal with suzaku, and also can be done with byakko, since he has his momnets of staying still in pounce position. recast for ichi should be around 17 seconds, with double march and haste. also for seiryu as well, saving that ni for dispelling wind and fang rush.

[Xodia]

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[Bigbird]

Hey les, the Nikar. and Sairen are a pretty cool idea for tanking, but if your Parry skill is high, so are the 2 Parry knives and the parrying Torque, +27 skil ^.^. And also, if you are gona use the Nikar. and dont have a speed belt, there is another -interuption belt that is -10%

[spencer]

so far only done it a few times, with genbu and suzaku came close with byakko but i think he got me 3 times or so, seiryu is a big pain, 2 fang rushs in a role;;

with byakko, i prefer all damage reduction gear. cuz no matter how much eva you have, you will get hit, and hit hard if you're going with all eva.

with -50-70% damage taken (arhats jinpachi +1, gi +1, jelly ring, defending ring, earth staff, food), and all out haste (haste, double march, speedbelt, byakko haidate, dusk gloves, fuma sune-ate). it makes blink tanking much safer on all gods.


the -50-70% (i've heard shallops are -20%, but thats not official)