Effects of Enmity +, Counter +

[Matkun]

I have NIN at 40 atm, and am considering future equipment, so was wondering if the higher levels that had experince with +enmity and +counter have to say about Nemesis Earring and Avenger's Earring?

Worth it over the dodge earrings?

I have about +30 Evasion atm, so I'm not sure whether the dodge earrings are contributing much.

[ZQM]

Get Nemesis Earrings and Dodge Earrings. Equip Nemesis for Provoke (and Ninjutsu if you like) and keep Dodge on you the rest of the time.

[Gryff]

and if you static with a bard or are just a lucky mofo, buy some melody earrings.

[sudo]

avengers do not work well with ninja tanking.

From browsing the mnk forums and just talking to an LS monk:

you must first actually be hit for the counter check to go off. That means your shadow cannot absorb the hit for you or it does not count.

Avengers works well on pld because they have low evasion and are hit all the time so they have more checks for avengers to kick in. Also the counter attack rate is pretty low with even 2 avengers.

A mnk told me that pretend that a full mnk has counter +30 naturally, earrings give you up to +2 in comparison for how much a real mnk will counter attack.

That's not doing a whole lot. He estimates that for +2, you'll counter 2/100 hits roughly.

The same kind of thing for the sam TP gain +6 pants. It doesn't give you +6 tp every time, but only marginally affects your TP gain such that you have somewhere around 106% when someone else has 100% tp. Not really all that big a difference.

[Matkun]

Originally posted by ZQM
Get Nemesis Earrings and Dodge Earrings. Equip Nemesis for Provoke (and Ninjutsu if you like) and keep Dodge on you the rest of the time.

How much does it help? Is +enmity a direct linear increase on top of abilities/spells/damage done, or is it like a dot with adding + to your hate over time?

[chocobo_king]

Originally posted by Gryff
and if you static with a bard or are just a lucky mofo, buy some melody earrings.

chr earring helps nin? cool

[Gryff]

Originally posted by chocobo_king
chr earring helps nin? cool

the latent effect on melody earrings ( evasion+5 ) is activated by having a bard song effect on you.

so by having a bard and wearing melody earrings you get evasion+10.

And if you can afford melody earrings+1 you get +12 evasion, instead of +6 from dodge.

[sharlngan]

isnt +enmity hate over time instead of increased hate form using something? hence -enmity will make ur hate decrease over time?

[Kiyosuki]

I have to concur with Melody Earrings. If you ever party with a BRD, have at least one on handy, two even if you got the space. If the bard has to ever leave switch back to Dodge Earrings or whatever you perfer, but if you really are a lucky mofo, keep the Melody Earrings by all means.

Also, even more, the latent effect isn't just Evasion +5, its Evasion Skill+5. It actually raises the actual evasion skill number by 5-10 depending on if you use one or two (6-12 if you use the +1 versions) Usually Evasion+ is adding to the stat in some invisible way but Evasion Skill +5 actually raises the skill level itself, which is better.

Needless to say, they're another thing that makes me cry, because Bards are so rare...

[Ozymandis]

Melody earrings are active when you have a song on you? Wow, not bad... I'm in a static with a bard. I'll have to pick those up.

[Kiyosuki]

Yeah, any song at all. It could even be ballad..which you don't need. XD But it would still activate the latent effect. As long as there's a song icon at the top, they're activate.

If you're in a static with a Bard, I can't recommend the Melody Earrings enough. If you got one you probably have (Or should have anyways) a song on you all the time, so they're perfect really. If I was in a static with a Bard I'd probably never take them off for the duration of the party. I'd keep my good old dodge earrings incase, but the evasion bonus from the Melody's is pretty considerable. I can't wait to use them. I hear great things about them.

All that, and the regular versions are a mere 50-60k each. For an item that like thats a steal. (The +1 versions are considerably more expensive, ranging into 400-800k. If you can afford those by all means take them, but its just a difference of +2 evasion, although it is evasion skill which is very good)

Just the thought of a Bard and a Summoner using Fenrir with you the Ninja in the party wearing these babies is enough to make anyone cry. You'd might as well be able to dodge pot shots from god with buffing power like that.

[LionhartPLD]

Originally posted by sharlngan
isnt +enmity hate over time instead of increased hate form using something? hence -enmity will make ur hate decrease over time?

I believe the current popular belif is that enmity is instant hate gained when using an ability or dealing damage and that CHR increases hate over time and decreases hate lost through taking damage.

[Kiyosuki]

Heh, I always wondered why CHR could do that..

Maybe its because if you have high Charisma, your just sooooo charming and sooooo handsome that everyone loves you, and you just gotta flaunt that charisma around until the monster's get so sick of it that everything you do pisses them off, and the only way to relieve that is to hit that egotistical sob!. :spin:

[Matkun]

SE did state in that famous interview that CHR does not affect hate in any way, and that it's only used for 2 of the Bard Song types, and for Charm, and affects damage for some WS's (like Shadowstich for example, which seems almost the stupidest one out of all them.. No wonder it always does such pathetic damage )

[ZQM]

Originally posted by Matkun
SE did state in that famous interview that CHR does not affect hate in any way, and that it's only used for 2 of the Bard Song types, and for Charm, and affects damage for some WS's (like Shadowstich for example, which seems almost the stupidest one out of all them.. No wonder it always does such pathetic damage )

No, the word they used is emnity. Emnity != hate.