Dual Wielding Calculation Help

[manga101]

Im sorry if this has been posted or in a thread somewhere..i cant find it

I'm curious as to what DW 1-3 is... does it decrease the delay?

for example... if i am using 1 katana at delay 222 and another at 227... does it add the 2 and divide by a certain DW level? = to the overall delay...

so holding the faster delay as my weapon wont make me slash any faster?

[Matkun]

DW 1 = 10% haste

DW 2 = 15% haste

DW 3 = 25% haste

DW 4 = 35% haste

DW 1 is level 10

DW 2 is level 25

DW 3 is level 45

DW 4 is level 65

So in your example, 222 + 227 is 449. With each DW your speed would be:

DW 1 = (449)/1.1 = ~408
DW 2 = (449)/1.15 = ~390
DW 3 = (449)/1.25 = ~359
DW 4 = (449)/1.35 = ~332

I'm not sure if there is a hard Duel-wield delay cap of 300 that you can't get below, like the single-weapon 150 delay cap.

I still haven't had a chance to test it with my LS.

[Anakron]

What about the bonus from the Sarashi?

[manga101]

Originally posted by Matkun
DW 1 = 10% haste

DW 2 = 15% haste

DW 3 = 25% haste

DW 4 = 35% haste

DW 1 is level 10

DW 2 is level 25

DW 3 is level 45

DW 4 is level 65

So in your example, 222 + 227 is 449. With each DW your speed would be:

DW 1 = (449)/1.1 = ~408
DW 2 = (449)/1.15 = ~390
DW 3 = (449)/1.25 = ~359
DW 4 = (449)/1.25 = ~332

I'm not sure if there is a hard Duel-wield delay cap of 300 that you can't get below, like the single-weapon 150 delay cap.

I still haven't had a chance to test it with my LS.

sweet... i tho i think the last calcution u mean 449/ 1.35???

how did u determine what to divide it by? like 1.1 , 1.15 etc
where did u get the 1.0 from?

[Matkun]

Yeah, I mistyped on the last calculation. Edited now and it's fixed.

And it's just simple math.. You take whatever time it takes, and divide it by 1, for normal speed. If your swinging 15% faster, well 15% of 1 is 0.15, add it together and you get 1.15.

I don't know how much DW bonus Sarashi gives, but supposedly any "Enhances dual wield" gives another 5%.

[Navia]

Ninja AF body armor is a 5% haste modifier on top of your current DW level, right?
I forget -_-

[imac2much]

Sarashi only gives 1% DW haste, Suppanomoni gives 5% DW haste.

This is according to the Enterbrain Japanese FFXI guide I believe (thanks to Apple Pie).

[Kiyosuki]

The duel wield bobus with III is 359, which makes sense..

But I swear it feels faster than that, I use a Warrior too with a one handed axe from time to time and it feels like the same delay (That is, with one axe, not two.) maybe a tiny, tiny bit slower.

Maybe its just me, I do wear Fuma Kyahan too but I don't think it makes that much of a difference.

does it?

[Matkun]

Originally posted by Matkun

DW 3 = (449)/1.25 = ~359

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Fuma Kyahan shouldn't make a noticeable difference.

359/1.03 = ~348

So it's about 0.2 of a second difference, which isn't really noticeable.

How it feels is always weird and very innacurate. I feel that I miss all the time with my Scythe, but my accuracy is 80%+.

[Rekiem]

From what Ive read from another message board coming from a very experienced player, the calculation is:

(Weapon Delay1 + Weapon Delay2) * A = Delay

A=
Dual Wield LV10 0.9
Dual Wield LV25 0.85
Dual Wield LV45 0.80
Dual Wield LV65 0.75
Dual Wield LV75 0.70


AF body:-0.05
AF2 Legs:-0.05
Supponomimi:-0.05

Exemple: With two 221 delay Katana at level 75, your actual weapon speed is 309.4 without the bonus and 243 if you can get the items that enhance Dual Wield.

[Matkun]

Originally posted by Rekiem
From what Ive read from another message board coming from a very experienced player, the calculation is:

(Weapon Delay1 + Weapon Delay2) * A = Delay

A=
Dual Wield LV10 0.9
Dual Wield LV25 0.85
Dual Wield LV45 0.80
Dual Wield LV65 0.75
Dual Wield LV75 0.70


AF body:-0.05
AF2 Legs:-0.05
Supponomimi:-0.05

Exemple: With two 221 delay Katana at level 75, your actual weapon speed is 309.4 without the bonus and 243 if you can get the items that enhance Dual Wield.

Except that is wrong, because if you managed to get 100% haste by stacking stuff and spells (which is possible), you would get 0 delay, which is impossible.

100% Haste = twice as fast swinging, so (Delay A + Delay B) / 2 = Delay, so with 50% haste, it's / 1.5, and so on

[Kiyosuki]

There's a Dual Wield upgrade at level 75? I didn't know that..