Equip questions

[Ozymandis]

After 6 months away from it I'm going back to ninja, parry and throwing are capped/near cap from WAR so it should be fun. Wanted some equipment recomendations for 40-50. Gil is not an issue, within reason.

Ochido's Kote. I notice a lot of ninjas don't wear them. Are they worth it? Katanas are low damage so is the attack increase noticeable?

Dual snipers at 40. Is this overkill? I know they say defense doesn't matter but -20 is a lot. Seemed like enemies didn't really have high evasion until the early 50s. I could go with Mermaid's Ring but I don't really like +enmity stuff because it doesn't help in "real" areas.

Nomad's+1 versus Bat cape. The extra AGI would be nice, it's one less evasion but would help throwing accuracy.

For my other stuff I'm going the standard route. Jujitsu gi, fumas, emp. pin, survival belt, the usual

[Xien]

Another WAR turned NIN on the Fairy Server =3

Basic equipment aside (Hairpin, etc), it's all a matter of preferance. Your preferance of course, will depend on your experience.

Here's my gear at 55:
-Life belt
-2x snipers
-Evasion torque
-RK Armour (swap with jujitsu occasionally)
-RK hands
-Fuma
-2x Dodge earrings

Now here's why I say it matters on your experience:

-At around 53ish, I stopped using Kote as it seemed I dodged a lot more often without that -5 evasion against kuftal crabs. Did I have proof? Nope. It just felt like it.

-I've been using snipers since 40. Haven't died too often yet (excusing the unfortunate jetstream here and there) so I'm keeping them. Would Agi+3 or Str+3 rings serve me better? Maybe, but I think I'm doing fine with the snipers.

-I don't use Erris Earrings. Can I afford them? Sure. Why don't I buy them? I think I keep hate ok with my current setup plus the fact that I'm uber lazy.

-I don't use dodge cape. Can I afford it? Sure. But I'm lazy. Not to mention it's always out ot stock in the AH with 1 being sold every few days.

-I've been using RK armour a lot more after 55. Is it better than jujitsu? Probably not, but hey, I like the looks.

Kind of see where I'm going? Basically, your experience will determine what you wear. As long as you're tanking fine (ie. holding hate reasonably, paying attention, debuffing mobs, not taking too much damage, getting TP reasonably fast enough to WS if you're in SC), your other PT members couldn't care less what you wear.

Eventually, being in parties will tell you what you need:

-I don't keep hate well enough even though I'm not taking too much damage. Get more
+enmity/accuracy/dmg/spammorepowders

-I keep missing. Get +accuracy items.

-I take too much damage. Buff up your defense or your evasion.

-My shadows run out too fast. Buff up evasion and make that bloody kurayami stick.

-and so on.

After a while, your character will mold itself into something that works well enough for you. And if some mob comes along that changes your mind, then so be it. The AH is always there

So my advice: Bling out your char first (sniper's,dodge cape, kote, etc) then see how they work. If they work fine, then keep them. It's always easier to sell big expensive stuff then to buy them

Xien

[Gryff]

Originally posted by Xien

Here's my gear at 55:
-Life belt
-2x snipers
-Evasion torque
-RK Armour (swap with jujitsu occasionally)
-RK hands
-Fuma
-2x Dodge earrings

Now here's why I say it matters on your experience:

-At around 53ish, I stopped using Kote as it seemed I dodged a lot more often without that -5 evasion against kuftal crabs. Did I have proof? Nope. It just felt like it.

-I've been using snipers since 40. Haven't died too often yet (excusing the unfortunate jetstream here and there) so I'm keeping them. Would Agi+3 or Str+3 rings serve me better? Maybe, but I think I'm doing fine with the snipers.

-I don't use Erris Earrings. Can I afford them? Sure. Why don't I buy them? I think I keep hate ok with my current setup plus the fact that I'm uber lazy.

-I don't use dodge cape. Can I afford it? Sure. But I'm lazy. Not to mention it's always out ot stock in the AH with 1 being sold every few days.

-I've been using RK armour a lot more after 55. Is it better than jujitsu? Probably not, but hey, I like the looks.

Kind of see where I'm going? Basically, your experience will determine what you wear. As long as you're tanking fine (ie. holding hate reasonably, paying attention, debuffing mobs, not taking too much damage, getting TP reasonably fast enough to WS if you're in SC), your other PT members couldn't care less what you wear.

Eventually, being in parties will tell you what you need:

After a while, your character will mold itself into something that works well enough for you. And if some mob comes along that changes your mind, then so be it. The AH is always there

What level are you really?

evasion torque is 65, yet you say you use rk/jujitsu which indicates 55-58.

Also dodge cape is whm/blm/rdm/smn/brd only....

the evasion+5 that melee can wear is the bat cape.

Also +emnity slots. sure you can get 2xemnity earrings, but you lose 6 agi or 6 evasion and later on you want suppanomimi anyway. Basically +emnity is a crutch for ninjas.

My setup at 58 is:


Hototogisu
yoto+1
Emperor Hairpin
Spirit Torque
Drone Earring
Drone Earring
AF Body
ochiudos kote
sniper ring
sniper ring
bat cape
lifebelt
AF legs
fume kyahan.

I have survival belt, dodge earrings RK gloves to swap in/out if I need more evasion.

[Ozymandis]

I think she means Bat Cape and Spirit Torque.

I've noticed as well that the cape is not frequently on sale on Fairy. I guess if it's up when I check next (waiting on the rest of my WAR gear to sell then buying equip straight to 50) I'll get it, until then I'll just buy Nomad's+1 and use it.

RK over gi? Hmm. I do like the RK set with sitabaki look but AGI+1 ACC+4 is pretty good.

As far as snipers I'm kind of thinking ahead to 48-50 in Garliage versus triple bats and then 53-55 in Boyahda versus spiders. With those and berserk up, not even having Galka HP will save me from getting one-shotted :sweat: Bah, I'll get them now (or one, since I already have one) and worry about that when the time comes

[Xien]

Originally posted by Gryff
What level are you really?

evasion torque is 65, yet you say you use rk/jujitsu which indicates 55-58.

Also dodge cape is whm/blm/rdm/smn/brd only....

the evasion+5 that melee can wear is the bat cape.

Also +emnity slots. sure you can get 2xemnity earrings, but you lose 6 agi or 6 evasion and later on you want suppanomimi anyway. Basically +emnity is a crutch for ninjas.

My setup at 58 is:


Hototogisu
yoto+1
Emperor Hairpin
Spirit Torque
Drone Earring
Drone Earring
AF Body
ochiudos kote
sniper ring
sniper ring
bat cape
lifebelt
AF legs
fume kyahan.

I have survival belt, dodge earrings RK gloves to swap in/out if I need more evasion.

Sorry meant to say Spirit torque. The +5 evasion lvl 38 one. And my bad on the cape. And as said on my post, I'm lvl 55.

And regarding the +enmity earrings, personally I'd never wear the Agi +3 earrings. Being a mithra and having insane Agi and comparing it to my Elvan friend who has a NIN at a similar lvl (real life friend and watched him play several times at his house), I dont' see that much of a difference in dodge. +enmity is noticable... you'll know this when playing a WAR and seeing how much hate you can pull with the AF head+hands on and without. I've had several PLDs tell my SAM friend to take off his boots as well too (though that was before TP nerf). But in the end,
whatever works for you eh?


Xien

[Gryff]

the emnity a war and pld get are different.

pld gets a considerable amount, and holds hate from curing, so +emnity is very noticeable, especially in the large amounts they get.

War is a damage dealer, nin is not, the difference in emnity is more noticeable because of the damage a war is putting out.

I cut out the stuff I didnt want to discuss, but I do agree with your points, you will find a build of ninja that works for you.


I've been thinking about swapping my drone to dodge, my parry is pretty bad, I need to go and work on it for a while I think.
I'm going to try a brynie out when I hit 60, I would like to be doing a little more damage and its a good investment until I can afford a speedbelt/scorp.


As you can tell my nin build is based on moderate evasion+ and acc+atk.

I think one of the reasons nin parties are faster than pld expwise is because the tank is not only more mp efficient ( I've had zero downtime paladin and nin parties so its kind of irrelevant ), but because ninjas do a lot more damage.


anyway to the original poster.

I got ochiudos at 34 and really didnt like them, the -eva hurt then, but as I levelled I found my style of tanking was becoming less and less efficient, I was having problems holding agro, so I put my kotes on and tried it, found it worked a lot better and have kept them since.

dual snipers really isnt overkill, +10acc outweights almost everything you can put in those ring slots until lvl 74.

Nomads+1 is still only 3 evasion, you just get an extra agi.

its

Def: 3 Agi : 2 Evasion+3

vs

Def: 6 Darkness resistance+5 evasion+5.

I wear bat cape so you can see which I picked.

I also wore RK over jujitsu because it has significantly higher defence.

EDIT: forgot to mention I use bailathorn, will replace with bomb core.

[Ozymandis]

Having 2 AGI on the mantle is like having an extra point of evasion. So essentially it's Evade+4 versus Evade+5 and a few points of defense.

[Gryff]

Originally posted by Ozymandis
Having 2 AGI on the mantle is like having an extra point of evasion. So essentially it's Evade+4 versus Evade+5 and a few points of defense.

2 AGI does not = 1 evasion.
2 DEX does not = 1 accuracy.
etc.

[Ozymandis]

Originally posted by Gryff
2 AGI does not = 1 evasion.
2 DEX does not = 1 accuracy.
etc.

AGI does increase your evasion. I guess it's not necessarily 2 to 1 like STR/ATK.

Does anyone have some numbers on this?

[stray]

I've always wondered if that 2:1 thing was a fluke for agi and dex... I can't really prove or disprove but I like my Nomad +1 over Bat Cape anyday.

However I don't get Ninja that wear a Byrnie... although I've seen a few. Here's my setup at 63 now: http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/profile.xml?20122

I gave up Ochiudo's as well... not worth the -evasion for +attack without +str imo. And I have 2 Eris' Earrings to swap out when I'm underlevelled or with a Warrior in full AF.

[bunta]

Currently using at 66:

Kororito+1 x 2
Bailathorn
Emperor Hairpin
Evasion Torque
Dodge Earrings x 2 <-- time for upgrade?
Full Arhats for Exp <-- this thing is so ugly, saving for Scorps and Byrnie
Full AF in town
Sniper's x 2 or Vit+3 rings when recast is down.
Bat Cape
Life Belt

Never did like -5 evasion on Ochiudo's Kote. Save your money because Ninja are hardly in SC and focus on accuracy. With this setup, i can hold hate until other melees get enough TP to finish off mob.