im tried of people saying SE doesn't like ninja tanks

[Stanislav]

Originally posted by Madden
Don't have to wait for update, just listen to Spider-Dan. He's the true expert of this game, if he say all mobs will spam AOE every 5sec and Ninja will never have shadows up thats must be true.

Owned

Spider Dan what level is ur ninja, if its not atleast over 60 you should stop posting here, unless u have been a ninja u cant have any real input.

[Les]

nooooooo
; ;

i should start lvl'ing paladin now and leave my ninja.

[Blood Red Poet]

tho I don't have a NIN +60.... and I am not +70. I can say one thing.

The reason BLMs(who think like me at least) "favor" PLD:
They build hate faster, in the beginning. This rule is totally ignored if a THF is in both a NIN tank and a PLD party. THF does SA+TA on NIN... then the hate will be constantly on him as long I only cast 2-3 Debuffs and 1 Nuke within the first 30 seconds. If a BLM is doing more than that... that BLM just wasted +100 MP in the first 30 seconds with little to show for it.... not a good BLM.

When it comes down to it:

Bad BLMs have it easier with PLDs. Thats pretty much it. (At least when a THF is in the party)

sorry for going out of topic ><.

Anyway, any melee my level has +700 HP. Can you tell me how I stole hate once(from PLD ironicly) and was able to 'tank' three shots hitting yellow and could take two more before I hit red? This is without the HUGE evasion a good NIN has and the parrying for boot. A NIN can easily surivive 2-3 shots. If they unless a big special attack hitting for 400 dmg... why would that make PLDs better? Everyone would be screwed if that hit them ><. (I have seen a that spider WS, name slips from my mind right now, do 40 dmg less to a PLD as it did to THF).

Last thing I want to bring up....

Unless the monster you fighting uses SAM's 2 hour... how is it going to do a TP AoE attack and strong TP attack, back to back?! I think they call that being.... PWNED. (NO WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT HNMS HERE)

[Spider-Dan]

Originally posted by Madden
Don't have to wait for update, just listen to Spider-Dan. He's the true expert of this game, if he say all mobs will spam AOE every 5sec and Ninja will never have shadows up thats must be true.

No no, you're right, what the hell was I thinking... NIN doesn't need shadows to tank, Utsusemi is just a way to show off. NIN can tank IT++ mobs with no shadows just fine and hold aggro off of all DDs with Defender + Phalanx rings!

After all, Madden's profile says he is level 75, so all those times I saw NIN tanks get beat up without shadows were some sort of mistake. Of course NINs don't rely on shadows... this is why they rarely need to cast Ichi after 37, because their Evasion is just that good.

[Spider-Dan]

Originally posted by Stanislav
Owned

Spider Dan what level is ur ninja, if its not atleast over 60 you should stop posting here, unless u have been a ninja u cant have any real input.

Dear Mr. God Of Exp Parties:

Please show a lowly person such as myself without multiple LV75 jobs exactly how awesome your billion dollar ninja is in merit point parties without using Shihei. Since (according to you) you log 6-7 hours per day on weekdays, and double that on the weekends, I hope you can fit it into your busy schedule. I will be especially interested in the damage healed/damage taken portion of your log.

Thanks in advance,

Dan

[Gryff]

yes, clearly madden and stanislav and every other ninja who is 75 are completely wrong and someone who won't even post their levels knows everything about how square-enix is going to implement every patch before its out and then argue like a barrack room lawyer over how all those other people are wrong.


Why do you even post on this forum if your never going to take nin over 37?

[Korutonu]

Originally posted by Gryff
Why do you even post on this forum if your never going to take nin over 37?

We will never know the answer to that question. O_o;

[Mitsu]

lol what a funny thread. With the upcoming nerf of Utsu Nin will just be more of a skilled job than most. I say this because a good ninja will plan ahead for such occasions if his PT is fighting a mob that can strip Utsu away in one hit. I refuse to explain those variable b simply bc its way too many and mainly skill/intuition based. S-E know what they are doing and I can bet that with that utsu nerf nin will get SOMTHING positive from the expansion..if not oh well. Another thing is nin dont have to be tanks END OF STORY. YES, they are good tanks....YES, they have lower than average melee damage, but as a lvl 75 ninja myself I can say that if I had a chance to lvl nin again I would go NIN/RNG simply b/c its fun and people go like when I land 90 manji on a HNM for 70 damage each and 30+ Fuma on Seiryu..IMAGINE what those do to lvl up mobs.

[Korutonu]

I just wish I could actually afford doing that for more than 10 levels

[Les]

spider dan

u sound like u just hate ninjas and is very bitter towards them. now that there is so much heat building up about your posts i actually had to go back and read it (i usually just skip your posts because always some sort of negative feed back follows it). good job!

[Kiyosuki]

Perhaps we should all take a deep breath and save the flames for when the announcements are finished?

[Spider-Dan]

The single best thing about these threads is that they're all saved. So while I've already said that I think (and hope) that it's possible Squenix may implement this thing intelligently, we have a bunch of other players with impressive job levels saying that no matter what the change does, NIN will still be the best tank, even without any shadows at all.

I guess we'll see what everyone's saying in a month, won't we?

[Kiyosuki]

Don't forget that any of us. You, me, Mitsu, Madden, any of us could be right or wrong.

Heh..remember guys..
16 days..

[Blood Red Poet]

I like how Spider-Dan(NIN hater) takes what we(people who think NIN won't be screwed) say (that NINs can tank for about 5-6 hits without shadows) and change it (that we saying they don't need shadows at all). Why are you doing this?

[Spider-Dan]

Originally posted by Blood Red Poet
I like how Spider-Dan(NIN hater) takes what we(people who think NIN won't be screwed) say (that NINs can tank for about 5-6 hits without shadows) and change it (that we saying they don't need shadows at all). Why are you doing this?

I like how you turn dislike of a nerf into hating the job. Consider that if I hated NIN, I'd be happy and excited about this nerf, instead of dismayed.

NIN is a job that I like and use, which is why I care about this change and it's potential impact. Just because I choose not to stick my head in the ground, that doesn't mean I hate NIN; precisely the opposite.

Anyway, as I already said, by a month from now we will know who is right. Either some AOEs won't strip shadows and I will be happy, or they all will and I will be unhappy.